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Old 07-17-2014, 04:21 AM   #1
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How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

I have been searching the forum for 2 hours now trying to find something concrete regarding the missing Logo Photos. I find all sorts of posts saying "this question has already been asked in another thread, please so a forum search". I've done a forum search a dozen times, I find the same snotty reply of "it's been addressed, search for it" (that's just rude and totally unhelpful - how about your people in the know PROVIDE the thread it's under, because I can't find it. I find 1-2 year old questions that just skim over it but still provide no answer.

I had major back surgery 7 months ago so haven't been doing much collecting - now I'm back, I have no pictures and nobody able to give an understandable reply. Is that so hard? Perhaps someone should make a sticky titled "Missing Airline Logos - here's the scoop"

It's extremely irritating to search and search and just come across the same answer in LOTS of different posts; "it's been asked, do a search"
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re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

Maybe this helps:

http://www.wings900.com/vb/general-s...e-updates.html

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A lot of you have been asking what’s happened to the database logos and we know more of you have been wondering. Here’s the situation: the logos come from Todd’s site airlinelogos and he has asked for $7,000 per year to keep using them on the Wings sites. Naturally, we totally understand and appreciate his position - it obviously took a lot of time and effort to assemble the logo collection, plus there are hosting fees etc to pay.

However, given that this is obviously a lot of money and that the upcoming database revamp will change the way the logos are hosted, and have bigger, higher-res logos with more features surrounding them, we just don’t feel able to pay that amount. Talks are ongoing as to whether we can find an interim solution to get the logos back short-term, but we anticipate that the new database design will debut in a few weeks’ time anyway which should take care of the issue if no compromise can be reached in the meantime.
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re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

Thank you Mike for the quote - the only problem with it that it is one-and-a-half year old and the issue is not resolved.
I am happy that I can live with that situation due to my limited use of the data base but I can understand that it creates frustration for some others.

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re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

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Thank you Mike for the quote - the only problem with it that it is one-and-a-half year old and the issue is not resolved.
I am happy that I can live with that situation due to my limited use of the data base but I can understand that it creates frustration for some others.
I don't think the issue will be resolved by the current owners. It should be very easy to remove the code that tries to load the logos and just show the airline name instead. Didn't happen. A suitable ad blocker setting will do that.

The new database (if you can call it that) also doesn't seem to take off (pun not intended).
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

It's is very frustrating trying to find models without the logos and nothing seems to be happening about it ! Why ? :/
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

You can read more in this thread: http://www.wings900.com/vb/general-s...le-pl0x-2.html

But i'll quote myself here:

"I'll let you know that, not once after they purchased the sites from us did they have one of their people learn how w900/dac worked. Not once did they show any interest in the software. They didn't keep up paying the licensing fees (the software here is still out of date and susceptible to hacks), and they kept telling us that brighter days were ahead. You the user would want to see data on real planes, toy planes, matchbox cars, trucks, aviation products, etc... Dancing unicorns and pots-o-gold were coming so soon! OMG!

After all the snake oil was promised, they toiled and played around with the other sites they purchased (this is pre hobbydb), bought too much, didn't know what they were doing, and hence lost their vision and direction over the course of 2 years. Unknown to us, they had to sell the forums (be your own judge to figure out the meaning of "had", its pretty damn obvious), enter Mas Media (apparently they are forum specialists, yet they can't even fix BASIC issues on a forum) as the savior to own the sites and then the failed attempt to move everyone to hobbydb. We got blindsided and made an attempt to get the sites back, we were turned down, so I kicked them off my server.

And during all this they told me that "airline logos aren't important"... If we had known this before, we never would have sold the sites. They later admitted that they under estimated how much people like logos. They could not afford to lease them (we were not about to give them away without something in return, we were burned before and refused to be burned again) And to quote Willy Wonka: "You get nothing, You Loose! Good Day Sir!"

There was NEVER an agreement between anyone for airline logos, so once they moved off of my server the logos ceased to work and other functions failed because they never properly prepared their server for the pieces of software that are required.
Now you see the result. They have NO clue how to fix this software, they have NO clue how to make any changes, they don't understand you or how this community works, and they have constantly been focused on their hobbydb pipe dream.

In the end, they don't care about you, its not a hobby, its a business. If they had any interest they would have fixed it by now, I could fix all the issues in about 2 hours... I don't believe for one bit they care about you, they've been screwing around with the users here for years, if they really did care they'd get someone to actually fix the issues so while they created their all new fabulous unreal drop-dead amazing database, you guys would be satisifed. Through all this, they closed up shop in the UK, changed their name twice, let all the directors go, tried to terminate their business, and then moved HobbyDB to the US to try again: https://opencorporates.com/companies...526015/filings

The back-story to all this is very long and one day we can all sit down with hot cocoa, curl up by the fire and read it. Don't believe anything any of the current owners tell you or promise you. The former owners got burned, and you as a community all got burned as well.

They will deny all of this, i know the truth and boy is there more to this story..."
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

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A suitable ad blocker setting will do that.
Exactly what the owners do not want you to say
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

Flight Director, thanks very much for the detailed explanation. Not knowing the slightest thing about running a database or server, I didn't understand most of it, but I do get the situation. I have around $3500 invested in my models plus a $1k case but I have slowed my collecting for health reasons and haven't kept up with the goings on here. I'm sorry you got burned but I, and a great deal many other people, do appreciate what you had going on. Thanks so much for your time *salute*
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

Thanks Jim for all explanation! I don't have a clue as well on how a server works, I only hope things will be fixed one day.
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

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Flight Director, thanks very much for the detailed explanation. Not knowing the slightest thing about running a database or server, I didn't understand most of it, but I do get the situation.Thanks so much for your time *salute*
You're welcome AZDinker, you don't need to know what went into the site from a server perspective; and you shouldn't have to. I wanted to illustrate to everyone that the owners of this site and hobbydb don't really care for any of the users and have no intentions of making this place better.

Did you noticed the reviews are gone? did you notice the home page is gone? what about the articles we wrote, and the history? All gone and thrown out the window.

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Thanks Jim for all explanation! I don't have a clue as well on how a server works, I only hope things will be fixed one day.
You are welcome, but don't get your hopes up. This place will stay as it is until it rots and doesn't make the owners money off of ads.


If you guys want this site back to the way it was, I suggest you form a petition and a campaign to boycott this and DAC. As former owners, we'd take the site over again and fix everything, but we'd need your help to make it happen.
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If you guys want this site back to the way it was, I suggest you form a petition and a campaign to boycott this and DAC. As former owners, we'd take the site over again and fix everything, but we'd need your help to make it happen.
I'll support this. Anyone else?
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I'll support this. Anyone else?
I'm game to make it happen. I also find the logo situation rather annoying while using the database. If this is the only way to get the logo's back then I will support the previous owners.
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Re: How about a firm, sensible answer about "Airline Logos Unavailable"

I suggest you start a petition on one of those create your own petion so they can see how many people really want the old owners back in control.

I would support this because no new features or updates to the site since I started just looking through the site a while ago.
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I'd be happy to sign a petition but have no idea how to sign one. If someone gets one going, I'll sign it!
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