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Geroge Bush 14 24.56%
John Kerry 29 50.88%
Ralph Nader 1 1.75%
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Old 10-25-2004, 09:44 AM   #61
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Let's just hope the Secret Service does it's job when (it's not an 'if' anymore, nothing significant happened -thought the CIA report on 9/11 might have changed some minds had it been released before election day, but enough, who is to say-, so Bush will win by a slim margin... for better or worse... or both depending on who you are) he wins so that we NEVER, NEVER, NEVER here the words 'President Cheney'
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Hey that's good. He had time to prepare so he knew what will be going on? He prepared a new version of the OPERATION NORTHWOODS.

All he is talking to the American people is "terrorist, terrorist terrorists". He tells you that "he is protecting you since 9/11 from terroristes". It is right, except some crazy people firing around with their guns no terrorists attacked anything in the US. Do you belive that these F***ing Bl**** Idi*** who were not able to take action to prevent 9/11 have become that good that they can prevent attacks now? Nonsens! How many terrorists have been arrested? Check out the website of the FBI und have a look what for Usama Bin Laden is wanted for! 9/11? Oh no: Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world (this is the original text from the FBI website "most wanted terrorists").

But as long as the American people is fearing terrorists they are not talking about lower taxes for the rich, increasing numbers of workless, bad economy, increasing debts, weak dollar, etxc etc. Compare what Clinton left behind and what the situarion is today!
All these conspiracy theories...why are they all coming out of Europe? Schroeder and Chirac have the propoganda machine going full steam. Yeah my eye is on terrorism, because I know where the economy is, I am living and succeeding in it. Terrorism, it does exist...ask an Israeli, ask a Spaniard, or a Turk. Thing that amazes me, according to these conspiracy theories, Bush was in office for 8 months and had time to plan this all to happen. How can one man do so much? The reason UBL is associated with the embassy bombings is most of the attackers on 9/11 are dead or captured.

Stating I am not focused on the internal issues is arrogant and very condescending, a typical tactic of the left. Most socialists think Michael Moore is a great guy. He eschews the same thoughts. Do you know he did not even graduate high school? That he uses the Capitalist system he so vilifies to make himself rich? Tell me one charity he has donated his wealth too? Hmm, is there such thing as a greedy socialist?

You basically alluded to the ignorant ami. Well our papers have done wonders to give off that stigma. Not all Americans are like what you read in the paper. If there wasn't a career in anti-Americanism or ami bashing in the worlds media, half the journalist would be out work. Do you really believe everything you read in Der Spiegel or Die Welt? I attended the Univerisitat Mannheim, I have a masters degree - I am not uninformed, and I pay attention to current events world wide. I read more than one newspaper, including some of the Euro papers. I am not rich, but working on it; I received a tax cut, and a nice check. I am employed because I am not relying on the system for handouts, and have tried to keep myself one step ahead of the trends. If you raise taxes on those who make over $200K, which are mostly small business owners, you screw the rest of us who are reliant on them for work. From where I see it, the economy is rebounding, and has been for the past year. Unemployment is right where is was in 1996 when Clinton was re-elected. Some might still be out of work, but considering where we have been in the past 4 years many more should be. Taking economic tips from a socialist, especially from a society in decline, is despondent.

However, I will give you this, there are differing viewpoints on how things should be done, and that is what this election comes down too. Some, like me think that cutting taxes is the only way to spur economic growth, and that education is the way out of government reliance, not more handouts. Bush has created a lot of government, but he has been president in difficult times. I think a second administration would be a reversing of this. I could be wrong though. I also think you pre-empt problems and the rest of the world and the U.N. be damned. The U.N. is a joke...Darfur, Rwanda, Bosnia, Vukovar, Haiti, Oil for food scandal, and the list goes on. This is the attitude that irks you Europeans sooo much. You cannot do anything to stop it, militarily or financially. Your economic system is 50% less productive than the U.S. in the past four years, and well the only real military is in Poland, Italy, and the UK - and they are in Iraq helping us. I am not promoting anything, just stating facts.

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That's what I thought, you couldn't think of one single reason to vote for Kerry..
You couldn't come up with a single reason to vote for Bush.
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You couldn't come up with a single reason to vote for Bush.
Lower Taxes.



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Well, I've got one... he isn't Kerry... but I have the opposite reason to vote for Kerry... he isn't Bush... neither appeal to me at all for different core reasons. If anything, I'm voting against both of them. Wasted vote? Not the way I see it since one of them will win anyway and I feel I've 'lost' either way, but I refuse to support either... they're both the 'greater' evil of two evils the way I see it. And Nader... umm... yeah...

McCain/Powell 2008! I can dream, can't I?

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Lower Taxes.
True, but only for the rich. Besides, Bush is killing himself with the lower taxes thing. it's murder to the government, they desperately need more money.

Let's make a desperate attempt to save the U.S. Kerry for 2004!!!!!!!!
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Let's just hope the Secret Service does it's job when (it's not an 'if' anymore, nothing significant happened -thought the CIA report on 9/11 might have changed some minds had it been released before election day, but enough, who is to say-, so Bush will win by a slim margin... for better or worse... or both depending on who you are) he wins so that we NEVER, NEVER, NEVER here the words 'President Cheney'
haha. Two words that should never be used in the same sentence-"President" and "Cheney." He's worse than Bush in my opinion. You do realize-if we have a repeat 9/11 this country is doomed.
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True, but only for the rich. Besides, Bush is killing himself with the lower taxes thing. it's murder to the government, they desperately need more money.

Let's make a desperate attempt to save the U.S. Kerry for 2004!!!!!!!!
What classifies the rich? I know many small business owners that will suffer if Kerry goes into office. Down here in Florida you can drive down the freeway and see businesses hanging signs "Vote Bush for Small Businesses". Now doesn't it make sense that if for a hypothetical example everyone got a 5% tax break that the people that made the most money would get the largest tax break? The government is in a serious defecit but Kerry's plans are unrealistic. His health care plan itself will nearly bankrupt the government it is completely unrealistic. Others say vote for Kerry to get us out of Iraq, if he's going to do that then why is he going to increase the amount of our nations troops? I'm currently working out the business plan to open my third small business and if I'm going to need to pay higher taxes that is possible lost employment for the additional helpers that I would need. I still truely believe that if everyone is going to pay taxes it should be on the same percentage scale if everyone pays 15% and then there is a tax break everyone should get the same break. Even though you might complain about the richest people getting the tax breaks but many of those people will reinvest the money into the economy thus providing more jobs and more money into the system and its a cycle effect. Just remember back to 1936 when they raised taxes they nearly put the economy into a greater depression. Just some food for thought.



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I agree with waffle here. I like how Kerry and his running mate Edwards appeal to small buisnesses and say they will try and lower malpractice fees for doctors . Ya right, for one Edwards was a TRIAL LAWYER. His job was to sue the living daylights out of people. Do I see a flip-flop? His job was to help lazy americans pick up a quick buck just because they were supposedly mal-practiced on or anything else you can sue for. People could just walk in say, their dentist couldn't keep their teeth from falling out, yet they never brushed, and he'd sue the doctor. He is one of America's problems right now, why in the hell would you want him having partial control of what goes on in our governent.
Kerry is just a rich sentator no smarter than bush and thats where I'll leave it. He uses big words to try and outwit Bush, yet with all his flip-flops he contradicts himself. All he can do is agree with everyone except Bush on every issue. If he was president, people could tell him "we like bombs, make themllegal", he'd happily agree and say "why are they so dangerous in the first place?".

I really can't say who I want for president, Bush is as smart as a chimp and Kerry is a parrot. Maybe nader will win
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All these conspiracy theories...
Conspiracy theories? What about your opinion regarding OPERATION NORTHWOODS? Thats a fact and no conspiracy!

By the way - I do not mean that Bush made the organisation by himself. I rather think he is a guy someone has to say what he has to do (daddy, Rummy, Wolfy etc). If you know the influence of alcohol to the human brain - Bush was alcoholic until 40! He is just a puppet on a string directed by people in the background who make a tremendous amount of money - and you and all the other nice guys are paying for that.

What we learned in Europe is, to be critical - especially considering governments, political parties and global enterprises and not to believe everything they say. Germany made this very terrible experience from 1930 to 1945 following a leader who did not allow any opposition. You should be happy that there are guys like Micheal Moore and many many others.
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Interesting...

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Conspiracy theories? What about your opinion regarding OPERATION NORTHWOODS? Thats a fact and no conspiracy!
Interesting reading...with the political environment of the Cold War back then this could have been devastating. If this is why JFK was killed, then I guess it could be something interesting to look up. I do not know enough of the era, as I think the 60's was a blight on this country similar to other eras in Europe. However, I do not see JFK as a great president...he only had two years. He was not the youngest president, Teddy Roosevelt was. He was a good orator, and from a very wealthy family. The funny thing to me is why are most democratic presidents or candidates from ultra wealthy families? Kerry is speaking out of both sides of his mouth...he wants to raise taxes on the rich, but he uses loopholes to pay less taxes than I do. [/QUOTE]
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What we learned in Europe is, to be critical - especially considering governments, political parties and global enterprises and not to believe everything they say. Germany made this very terrible experience from 1930 to 1945 following a leader who did not allow any opposition. You should be happy that there are guys like Micheal Moore and many many others.
While I agree with you that there should always be checks and balances with any government, Michael Moore has distorted the truth in every thing he has done. This has been done for monetary gain, only. Over 50% of his theories in Fahrencrap have been debunked. He is not the type of person I would want sitting in the presidential box as a representative of my party. Thus, political opposition is alive and well in the U.S., however the people currently leading it are worse than those they are trying to challenge.

In Iraq, why do you only hear about the bad - Abu Ghraib, terrorism, etc? Why do you never hear about the good - the schools, the women who are now free, and so forth? Michael Moore compared the Islamo-facists in Iraq to the Minutemen of the U.S. in our own revolution. To me that is the furthest thing from the truth, and that is the basis of my dislike for him, and my questioning anyone who believes what he says. They aren't even Iraqis - look at Fallujah.

Yesterday, the news media and Kerry went wild over the thought that explosives capable of detonating a nuclear bomb disappeared from Iraq. They went nuts, accusing Bush of losing this and so forth. However, it was shown later in the day that that material was never where it should have been. One of the imbedded reporters from NBC showed up with the 3rd ID when they arrived at the Bunker and nothing was there - this is on tape. This was also ONE day after we reached Baghdad. There were only a few reports showing this, while there were over 100 stating the materials were gone. Where did it go? I think if we checked in Syria we woudl find it. Regardless, this is blatant media bias and is something that needs to be fixed, as well as some of the inaccuracies coming out of our current government.

If our press acted during WWII as they do now, history would be very different.

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I really can't say who I want for president, Bush is as smart as a chimp and Kerry is a parrot. Maybe nader will win
Weren't we saying the same thing four years ago?
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The funny thing to me is why are most democratic presidents or candidates from ultra wealthy families?
Whow - I did not know that Bush an Cheney get social help and foodstamps. Come on - If we just got a very small part of their fortune we would be VERY rich people! And for sure they are now wealthier than 4 years ago! Guess where the money comes from????????
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True, but only for the rich. Besides, Bush is killing himself with the lower taxes thing. it's murder to the government, they desperately need more money.

Let's make a desperate attempt to save the U.S. Kerry for 2004!!!!!!!!

I maybe ignorant for saying this. But I dont think the US Government has a revenue problem. They have a spending problem.
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Whow - I did not know that Bush an Cheney get social help and foodstamps. Come on - If we just got a very small part of their fortune we would be VERY rich people! And for sure they are now wealthier than 4 years ago! Guess where the money comes from????????
Compare them to Heinz-Kerry and they might as well be. Guess where that money came from? Not oil, but factories in third world countries without strict labor laws. Which is worse? If you had a chance to see any of the debate where Kerry said that all but three in the room would not pay higher taxes, that comment was elitist and arrogant. Basically stated that we are the little people and should not worry about it having to pay higher taxes since we will never amount to anything.

Bush, I believe, divested his oil interest in the 80s to buy the Texas Rangers baseball team. He turned around and sold that before running for Texas governor. Does he have that now, no idea. As for Cheney, he said he divested his Haliburton interests...did he? Who knows? I do not believe this was a war for oil. If it was, why has my gas prices gone up? They pump it here, I see Oil Derrecks everyday. Refineries are down in south Texas. The prices should not have gone up. Economically speaking the price I think has gone up due to the growing demand for it in Asia, and it will continue to go up. Regardless, why take on a part of the world that was a headache in the first place? There are easier pickings in the western hemisphere if we wanted oil...Mexico and Venezuela come to mind.

Don't quote me on the Bush divestiture...I do not know, nor do I care. Ignoring a prime fact? Maybe, but why should I focus on it, since I do not believe all this was concocted to get the Middle Eastern oil.

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