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Old 05-13-2019, 03:46 PM   #1
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Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

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This is an A321WL



this is an A321neo



Herpa started to produce the neo family recently and the most important difference among the two A321's are the engines.
This is a comparison among Herpa A321WL and A321neo.












































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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

Honestly: Both models have their flaws - to put it mildly...
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

Both models look bad
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

The overall build quality looks much better on the WL... All these gaps and that ugly front gear. :/
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

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Both models look bad
I'll add my views:

The Azores A321 is too high (too long gears), the nose gear have too big wheels, the engine is oversized, the front part could be smoother and the cockpit windows could be better placed.

Although the Azores is bad, the Thomas Cook look even worse, in my opinion.
Too long nose, shameful pylons, big nose gear, too pointy winglets (Azores look much better).

Overall, the Azores look better to me, but both are really turds.

PS: Alessandro, please don't post pictures bigger than 1024px!
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

That Thomas Cook model isn't Herpa's latest A321-mould, is it?
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

When I visit our forum without logging in I see many advertising. One of the »sponsored links« I was receiving lately had the stupid slogan »What millionaires in Switzerland don’t want you to know«. Now some of your photographic angles, Charter, could be headlined with »What product managers in Dietenhofen don’t want you to see« because they debunk herpas »DETAILS ARE OUR PASSION« catchphrase as empty.

Of course this is not your intention. You are in first line happy, that herpa released these two models that suite your leisure airline focus very well. And after all they are not without any charm, and from certain angles (and a bit of indulgence and capacity for abstraction) look not so bad. The real tragic is that with a just a little more of consideration for some mould-DETAILS (and of course reworking of the original mould tooling) this now from certain angles in close-up view so disproportioned looking models could have been masterpieces.

Maybe you should stop asking herpa for specific models, send them the pictures of your (multiple; you are in this respect a Wings900 hero!) mould comparisons and ask how such big discrepancies (not only between original and model but between the single model »generations«) are possible and how this discrepancies match with their »DETAILS ARE OUR PASSION«-slogan. But I guess this would not go down particularly well.
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

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That Thomas Cook model isn't Herpa's latest A321-mould, is it?
No its not...
A fair comparison would be to use both new molds...
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

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...A fair comparison would be to use both new molds...
I guess he wanted to compare a 32B (A 321 CEO with sharklets) with a 32Q (A 321 NEO). The first 32B using the new mould will be the WOW Air (Faucett Peru is usually one of the first to receive new Wings Club models; ACB did not update its picture yet which is why we will probably have to wait a few days for a 32B-32Q comparison based on only the latest mould).
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

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The first 32B using the new mould will be the WOW Air
Except...Charter has already the WOW model and has inclusively posted pictures of it on the same day (13th May)
https://www.wings900.com/vb/1-500-sc...ml#post1126956
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

Ok, you are correct, thank you for the hint. Then it's up to Charter to clarify.
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

A320neo family uses Pratt & Whitney PW1000G engine, also used by MRJ, MS-21, A220, E-Jets airplanes. The PW1100G-JM used by the A320neo family has a diameter of 2,06 meters: Herpa A320neo family models, including the A320neo and the A321neo, have engines with a diameter of 5 millimeters (1:500 scale). 5 mm in 1:1 scale are (5 mm x 500) 2,5 meters, 44 centimeters larger in the real scale. Now, 2,06 meters are 2060 millimeters and, in 1:500 scale, 4,12 millimeters.
To conclude, Herpa A321neo should have engines with a diameter of 4,12 millimeters: with this diameter, the exact replica of the 1:1 A321neo engine, the landing gear would be enough long to avoid to touch the ground.


A320 family uses two engine types:
IAE V2500 diameter 1,50 to 1,61 meters
CFM56 diameter 1,54 to 1,73 meters


Herpa A320 family models have engines with a diameter of 4 millimeters; 4 mm are 2 meters in the real scale (4 x 500), considering a medium diameter of 1,60 meters in 1:1 scale, even for the A321ceo the engines are 40 cm largest, this means that in the 1:500 scale the engines of our A319, A320 and A321 models should be 3,2 millimeters wide.
Both Herpa 1:500 A320neo and A320ceo families have engines 0,8 millimeters largest than they should be, that is 1/5th largest of the real engines, like if Herpa models engines would be 40 centimeters largest of the 1:1 engines.
But i don't feel to complaint about this: i will never complaint for A320/321neo too large engines!
In my opinion Herpa had to do a choice: 4 mm for the A320ceo family and 5 mm for the A32oneo family. They could choose 3 mm for the A320ceo family and 4 mm for the A321neo family, but in this case the engines would have been too small. In my opinion Herpa decided for the better way: don't forget we are talking of millimeters and under millimeters, in 1:500 scale, there is the "microsurgery"! Maybe Herpa could release 4,12 millimeters engines for the neo family, but the costs would increase more and more.
I will never complaint with Herpa for the "too big" A320/321neo engines and i really don't understand how is it possible that many collectors think this is an intolerable mistake by Herpa, when the same collectors don't complain about liveries, airlines, special liveries before regular ones, always the same airlines (Lufthansa, Qantas, Emirates...), no enough "niche" and exotic airlines, too many widebodies and few narrowbodies, neos airlines, B737 classic and so on.
Their complaint is about a thing almost impossible to change and about a choice i consider perfrct by Herpa!
Said that, WOWair A321ceo vs Azores Airlines A321neo comparison, as requested:












































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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

WOW wins, it looks way better. Even the nose!
As a drawback, the big nose gear and too long landing gears (model too high).
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

Careful, the numbers you are giving are the fan diameter, so the *inside* of that front opening! Mesuring my models here, I get correct numbers…

The CFM56 is shown on the Thomas Cook (and on the real Delta). It's Airbus version has a diameter of 1.74 m and a length of 2.6 m. The CFM56 is also used (in a slightly smaller version) on the Boeing 737NG.

The IAE V2500 is alost exclusively used by Airbus A320 (and the no more built MD90), being a lot longer (as seen on the WOWair). 1.6 by 3.2 m.

The Azores does not have P&W but CFM Leap. Slightly under 2 m fan diamer, 3.4 m in length it is in fact a lot bigger. A smaller version is used on Boeing 737 MAX, while the Comac C919 uses the big fan with a huge length of 4.5 m.

The fourth option isn't shown here: The new PW1000 exists in two basic versions; ~1.5 and ~2m diameter. The version used by A320neo (PW1100G) has in fact a huge fan of slightly over 2 m and a length of 3,4 m. This IS the biggest thing on any current narrowbody. The versions for A220 and Embaer E2 are slightly smaller; however a *much* smaller version will be used in Embaer E175-E2 and Mitsubishi MRJ.

Both A320neo engines look almost the same, including those tiny fins.
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Re: Comparison: Herpa A321WL vs A321neo.

Was that WOW A321 of the 'new' new mould? It looks very good actually, bar the front view, but that always looks a bit clumsy.
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