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Charter 04-19-2019 03:42 PM

My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Ciao to all.
How can we "live" without B737-300, B737-400, B737-500 1:500 scale???!!! I can't and i am happy great members agree on the fact that Herpa should produce these models.
I don't think there is low demand for the B737 classic: this family is too beautiful and too important for the civil aviation world to be considered part of "low demand" models like the A318 or the Dornier 328 jet!
And, the real question is: broken mould or low demand? Herpa made a great magic telling us "the mould is broken and it is too expensive to adjust it, especially because of the low demand"... Having three difefrent lenghts, i imagine that only the B737-300 mould is broken: what about the B737-400 and the B737-500? And, again, why Herpa doesn't propose some B737-400 and B737-500 models checking if the customers demand is really too low?
Too many questions without an answer, with some collectors/Wings900 members explaining them with an unwavering faith in Herpa and in what they make, even if wrong.
Wrong for me, for us, for all the customers and collectors wanting more B737 classic in their fleets and collections. Who decides if something is right or wrong? The market. Who is the "market"? Us collectiors and customers, the clients, those spending a lot of money for 1:500 pieces of metal and plastic. Why don't asking us what we want and if we want more B737-300, B737-400, B737-500 in our fleets and collections? Why don't ask to clients if they want to spend money for the "old, ugly, dated" B737-300/400/500 mould?
Said that, let me start to share my most loved B737 classic models.
Enjoy.

Charter 04-19-2019 03:45 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Freedom Air
Airline from New Zealand, it operated from 1995 to 2008 using B737-300's and A320's.
Herpa model, B737-300 ZK-SJC, was delivered to Freedom Air fleet in 2001.


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...ps3lp24xy7.jpg

Charter 04-19-2019 03:50 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Mekong Airlines
Founded in 2002 in Cambodia, the B737-500 was in service among January and October 2003, date of the end of the business for the airline.
XU-735, the only B737-500 in Mekong Airlines fleet, was delivered in 2003.
What a masterpiece! What would we like more? "Low demand" for something like this???!!! I cannot believe!


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psdn3ycjop.jpg


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psasvsxy4r.jpg

uncle beat 04-20-2019 07:49 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I totally agree with your analysis!! You are so right, not only to question the validity of the 'broken mold' excuse, but as COLLECTORS, there is an extremely important place in this scale for the 737 classic, and I will also add the 737-200 to this!! I want to see OC of Gulf Air, Saudia, Egyptair, Air Tanzania (with the amazing giraffe on the tail), Aerolineas Argentinas, Aloha Airlines, Bahamasair (blue and yellow striped edition), and of course anything Brazilian:cool:. The list of models that are lacking is HUGE. Please Herpa, we have been loyal to you, do not start abandoning entire segments of the model lineup--this is the beginning of the end of the road / death knell for the entire 1:500 scale. My previous suggestion of the "Classic Series' model department should be considered. If indeed the molds are broken, then it is time for the hobby to move forward in terms of cost-saving technology, perhaps using 3-D printed plastic models instead of die cast metal to save production costs. I have some plastic models and they are just fine, and they are clearly much easier to produce with milling machinery doing all the work instead of labor-intensive metal casting techniques. Doing things this way, maybe the operation could be returned to GERMANY from China! And, production times might be reduced as well. A win-win for the company and for collectors, just sayin.'

Regards,

Pete:love:

Charter 04-20-2019 11:03 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle beat (Post 1125844)
I totally agree with your analysis!! You are so right, not only to question the validity of the 'broken mold' excuse, but as COLLECTORS, there is an extremely important place in this scale for the 737 classic, and I will also add the 737-200 to this!! I want to see OC of Gulf Air, Saudia, Egyptair, Air Tanzania (with the amazing giraffe on the tail), Aerolineas Argentinas, Aloha Airlines, Bahamasair (blue and yellow striped edition), and of course anything Brazilian:cool:. The list of models that are lacking is HUGE. Please Herpa, we have been loyal to you, do not start abandoning entire segments of the model lineup--this is the beginning of the end of the road / death knell for the entire 1:500 scale. My previous suggestion of the "Classic Series' model department should be considered. If indeed the molds are broken, then it is time for the hobby to move forward in terms of cost-saving technology, perhaps using 3-D printed plastic models instead of die cast metal to save production costs. I have some plastic models and they are just fine, and they are clearly much easier to produce with milling machinery doing all the work instead of labor-intensive metal casting techniques. Doing things this way, maybe the operation could be returned to GERMANY from China! And, production times might be reduced as well. A win-win for the company and for collectors, just sayin.'

Regards,

Pete:love:

Honestly speaking, i was delighted by your comment of some days ago:


"Herpa never realized so many beautiful classic liveries (both in the 737 Classic and 737-200 iterations) and as a truly loyal and high-spending, long-term customer I find it both saddening and infuriating with their statement that with the 'broken mold,' they won't make models of these planes again.
Are you kidding me??? What a weak excuse. I am a dentist and virtually all of our prosthetic work is done with molds, for me personally over 150 cases a week--each one being a unique and custom job and much more precision-dependent than these 1:500 replicas will ever be. Indeed, now in the clinic we have digital scanners that make this process even easier and almost instantaneous. There is no good reason in 2019 not to renew/remake/repair/re-whatever the 737 mold.
I hate to say this again, but you don't see scenarios like this in the 1:400 realm where there is COMPETITION!! The Herpa monopoly in 1:500 has been increasingly bad for collectors; in hindsight I wish I would have been in 1:400 all along but with 700+ 1:500 models I am kind of stuck in this scale : (
Now, enough of my ranting. A solution would be that to satisfy the collecting requirements in low-demand situations, Herpa should consider creating a low-volume department that charges more but satisfies the numerous niche markets which exist in this hobby with regards to classic liveries, old/extinct airlines and airliners, remote world regions, etc. This would be a win-win for the company and collectors alike, and would greatly restore our faith in Herpa, which up to this point was like a trusted friend in the scale. . .".




From this comment i wanted to give a tribute to our beautiful B737 classic models (B737-300, B737-400, B737-500), except the B737-100/200 because Herpa continued to produce these two versions until last months.
The reason "broken mould + low demand" is unacceptable, even if true (and i don't think it is true), for the reasons you wrote in your beautiful comment.
Too many B737-300, B737-400, B737-500 in 1:500 scale and just one manufacturer that doesn't want to produce them! Really sad. Having more manufacturers besides meaning more competition and more offer, means also more variety and the possibility to have models, liveries, airlines that others don't want or can't produce.

DutchCollector 04-21-2019 09:10 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charter (Post 1125832)
What a masterpiece! What would we like more? "Low demand" for something like this???!!! I cannot believe!

I can understand where the low demand for this particular model is coming from, but I understand too little of Herpa's demand calculations that I can't judge their decision regarding the general -300/-400/-500 series

Charter 04-21-2019 07:44 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DutchCollector (Post 1125880)
I can understand where the low demand for this particular model is coming from, but I understand too little of Herpa's demand calculations that I can't judge their decision regarding the general -300/-400/-500 series

I can't and i don't want to judge! But in my country, and i am sure in all the countries of the world, there is a way to say "the client is always right", translated is "who spend money, especially a lot of money, is always right"! Of course we can't and must not judge the marketing of a company, but as customers we can share our impressions and considerations and them, spending a lot of money for the products offered by the company, must have (or "should have") an important weight in the company marketing decisions and choices.
I don't want to use the word "stupid" but i continue to consider in this way some choices, like spending a lot of money for a Beluga or Dornier Do328 jet or Tu-144 (a beautiful model, right, but with no future because very few models can be produced) instead of invest resources and money in adjusting or even updating the broken/old B737 classic mould.
I can't and i don't want to judge, ok, but i am sure there are more demands of a B737-300 than a Tu-144, or a Do328 jet!

Charter 04-22-2019 03:52 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Look at these models released by Herpa...in the wrong scale, personally speaking! Three beautiful models 8starting to collect even 1:400 models i has the lucky to buy Euralair B737-800 with the Frog on the tail).
Aeris (1999-2003) has been a French leisure/charter airline; Binter Canarias is a Spanish airline based in Gran Canaria island and performing inter-island services with some international routes in North Africa and Portugal: the B737-400 EC-ENQ has been delivered in 2005 and painted in the stunning special livery (that is a SPECIAL LIVERY!) sharing everything about sea, sun, sand and holidays.
Why i post these two Herpa models here? Because for many years, and i am sure i am not alone thinking this, i was convinced Herpa announced some news producing them in 1:200 (and sometimes 1:400) scale: this happened for many models of the past but, unfortunately, not for these two wonderful B737s. A real pity, a shame, a lost occasion to have incrediblt beautiful B737 classic in our hands.
I must also say that Herpa produced wonderful 1:400 models, nothing to envy to other manufacturers (Geminy, Phoenix, etc.).



Aeris B737-300 (1:200)
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Cc0AA...HbG/s-l640.jpg


Binter Canarias B737-400 (1:200)

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A dear friend asked me: with Herpa speech about the broken/old B737 classic mould and the "low demand" question, it is the end for Herpa and 1:500 collection? Maybe not the end in literal sense, because there are many airlines, liveries and new generation families airliners, but Herpa is losing power and reliability, even being the only 1:500 manufacturer (and without competitors)!
Even the cancellation of the Vladivostok-Avia Tu-204-300 (beautiful and one of the most wanted Russian models according to some rumors), of the Lauda Air B737-800WL and the Sudan Air A300 has been a hard blow for Herpa; many collectors around the world (not only part of Wings900 family) were waiting for these models, and Herpa once again disappointed us. And this disappointment can't be replaced by the production of Dornier 328Jet or Shorts 360 or Beluga or Tu-144! For me and, believe me, for many colectors i personally know.
Sudan Airways...another black spot in Herpa history: one of the few African airlines possibly released, the beautiful and rare A300 and Herpa cancels the model. Unbelievable.
I am really curious to know how many clients Herpa has lost in the last years: here in Europe but also in USA and other parts of the world. Really, really curious. We can not recognize this because Herpa is the only 1:500 manufacturer and they haven't competitors (they haven't the breath on their necks of other manufacturers and competitors, something really useful to obtain better quality, better moulds, better variety, better prices), but Wings900 could be a indicator of what has happened around the world with the many collectors who stopped to buy Herpa 1:500 models (at least ten in Italy, collectors who spent tens of thousands money each year) or that switched to 1:400 scale: i am sure Herpa lost a lot.

uncle beat 04-22-2019 08:07 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
:cry: I have to say, a world without old 737 airplanes, is like a world without sunshine. :(

If these models disappear from the 1:500 scale, we airplane lovers have to suffer a second death--the first one from the real 1:1 airplanes being retired and ultimately broken up into scrap material, and now the unthinkable decision by Herpa to no longer produce them as models!

We collectors are the stewards of this branch of aviation history, and we must defend it and preserve it!!


Even those collectors who aren't really interested in these exact 737 models need to stand together with us based on principle alone--remember, YOUR favorite aircraft type might be the next one to go -- for that matter, the entire 1:500 segment! :o

Charter 04-23-2019 11:19 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Really well said Pete! I hope even more people will understand and will agree what we are saying.

Charter 04-23-2019 11:22 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Skynet Asia Airways.
Founded in 2002 in Japan, then in 2011 it becomes Solaseed Air. Skynet Asia Airways had a fleet of 12 B737-400 and Herpa model, JA737A, arrived in fleet in 2002 and in 2011 it has been repainted in Solaseed Air livery.


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Charter 04-23-2019 11:27 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Japan Transocean Air.
Airline founded in in Japan in 1993, still active. The airline uses 2 B737-400 and 12 B737-800WL.

The B737-400 JA8939 arrived in 1999 and it is still active in wonderful "Jimbei Jet" colors.
Unuseful B737-400 Herpa? I don't think! This is a masterpiece!!!
How many models like this could be produced???!!!


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psd36yucxl.jpg

Charter 04-23-2019 02:07 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Before to continue with more Herpa B737 classics i want to share my love for, in my humble opinion, one of the two most beautiful B737-400s ever: US Airways (the second is British Airways).
A real shame we haven't this model in 1:500 scale, a dramatic loss for each collector!



https://www.flightglobal.com/assets/...x?itemid=57134


https://cdn.airplane-pictures.net/im.../3/8/81180.jpg


http://www.airliner-pictures.com/wp-...17/11/6-93.jpg

uncle beat 04-23-2019 07:38 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I really love that Japan Transocean Air--I must now find one--it is amazing!!

Thanks for sharing these beautiful pieces of aviation history on this forum--maybe at some point, unfortunately all we will have left are memories and some pictures on the internet. . . and a few 1:500 models that people are suddenly fighting for on E-bay, fetching exorbitant prices due to scarcity.



Sometimes I feel helpless, like I am watching an amazing creature approaching extinction:cry:


We need to act now, before it is too late.

Charter 04-24-2019 12:21 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
You're welcome great Pete!


Ukraine International.
Not the best model realized by Herpa, even because along with the B737-200 Ukraine International B737-300 has been realized in old generation (rolling wheels). I transformed it in new generation and for me this model is an icon until Herpa will realize the B737-800WL or the B737-900ER.
For me a real masterpiece would be an Ukraine International B737-500WL, a little gem.
UR-GAH has been refitted with winglets and then re-registered as UR-CQW.


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psum7bkztv.jpg

Charter 04-24-2019 12:29 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Air France.
Looking at this spectacular model i discovered to love the B737-500 (the same for the B757-200 and Iberia). Eurowhite, yes, but this Herpa model is a masterpiece!

Air France B737-500 F-GJNF arrived in 1992, then it has become Yamal Airlines VP-BRS.
Simply but wonderful!


https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psh4gdpiq1.jpg

DutchCollector 04-24-2019 01:52 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I'd vow for a Ukrainian 737-800 by the way! ;)

N3424V 04-25-2019 10:06 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Nice looking models Ale.

I still need a -600 for my 1:400 collection.

Charter 04-28-2019 06:04 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Olympic Airlines.
When Olympic Airlines was a great major and not just a mere regional subsidiary of Aegean, they were flying the B747, the A340-300, the A300 and B737-300/400 narrowbodies.
Herpa B737-400 SX-BKD arrived in Olympic fleet in 1991, leaving in 2003.
This beauty has been painted in Athens 2004 Olympic Games special livery.

https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...pss1jzvhoo.jpg


Herpa SX-BKB
https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psndp4mgmw.jpg

Charter 05-04-2019 02:47 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Two B737's are remembering me Herpa lost an immense occasion to restart the production of this wonderful civil aviation workhorse:


British Airways B737-400, especially used for leisure flights until its last flight at the end of 2015

http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/...Net_245494.jpg


Aviolet B737-300, used for airSerbia charter/leisure flights
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qHd4LiydP...45e29d6a_b.jpg

Charter 05-04-2019 02:52 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I wonder how is it possible that UK collectors did not make a "class action" asking (shouting!) for a British Airways B737-400 in 1:500 scale (in 1:400 the model exists and is wonderful) while an Italian collector, very far from "English" mind and culture desperately want this model still believing in a miracle!!!
I still hope to wake up Monday morning and to read

"Herpa will restart the B737-300/400/500 production, starting from British Airways and US Airways B737-400 and Aviolet B737-300!!!"
or
"A new manufacturer of 1:500 scale, they will start with the B737-300/400/500 production!".

Charter 05-04-2019 03:19 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Leaving dreams and hopes away from my mind, another Herpa masterpiece:
CSA B737-500 "80 Years Birthday" special livery
https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...ps4vjbpwsh.jpg


This airplane joined CSA livery in 1998, leaving in 2011 for Armavia as EK73772.
It was painted in this special livery marking the 80 years birthday of Czech airline.
What to say? One of the most beautiful Herpa models ever, and it is a B737-500!!!

uncle beat 05-05-2019 07:04 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charter (Post 1126494)
I wonder how is it possible that UK collectors did not make a "class action" asking (shouting!) for a British Airways B737-400 in 1:500 scale (in 1:400 the model exists and is wonderful) while an Italian collector, very far from "English" mind and culture desperately want this model still believing in a miracle!!!
I still hope to wake up Monday morning and to read

"Herpa will restart the B737-300/400/500 production, starting from British Airways and US Airways B737-400 and Aviolet B737-300!!!"
or
"A new manufacturer of 1:500 scale, they will start with the B737-300/400/500 production!".


I am not British either, but I share your dreams and vision. In so many ways Herpa has served us well, but to give up COMPLETELY on a plane type used quite extensively and say arrivederci to the 737 Classic series due to broken molds or whatever, is really bad for us serious collectors. I pray that Herpa is listening and has a change of heart:love:
Pete

Charter 05-07-2019 02:49 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Thanks as usual Pete.


Look at this wonderful B737-300, Norwegian.no LN-KKJ "Sonja Henie".
This B737-36N has been delivered in 2002, leaving the airline in 2015. The beautiful tail is a tribute to Sonja Henie, a Norwegian ice skater and actress.
Herpa produced a masterpiece!
https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...pshrdzb8ci.jpg


The second B737-300 produced has been LN-KKM "Thor Heyerdahl", a B737-3Y0 delivered in 2003 and leaving Norwegian fleet in 2014.
Thor Heyerdahl has been a Norwegian anthropologist and explorer, famous for exploring Pacific Ocean from South america to Polinesia on the Kon-Tiki raft.
https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psmam1uvdt.jpg

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Charter 05-07-2019 02:56 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
But Herpa, clearly, has forgotten many of its masterpieces!!!

Charter 05-08-2019 02:37 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
When Herpa did not have all the current problems in releasing LOT models...
LOT B737-400 SP-LLC "Golden livery", a tribute to LOT 80 years.

https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psspuuafvz.jpg

Charter 05-11-2019 11:34 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charter (Post 1126722)
When Herpa did not have all the current problems in releasing LOT models...
LOT B737-400 SP-LLC "Golden livery", a tribute to LOT 80 years.

https://oi1094.photobucket.com/album...psspuuafvz.jpg

My regret is: having produced this beauty and having the opportunity to produce LOT models (Herpa produced LOT B767-200, B767-300, B737-500, B737-400 old generation) why not to continue to "beat the iron until is hot" (as we say in Italy) releasing


LOT Charters B737-400
http://www.planes-international.com/...92011-0293.jpg


LOT-Centralwings B737-400 (hybrid livery)
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos...6656.jpg?v=v40


LOT B737-400 new livery
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos...v=v4d2e5c02951


LOT B737-400 old livery but new generation
https://static.myvimu.com/photo/50/53450.jpg


LOT changed livery in 2011/2012, so maybe Herpa has had the possibility to produce more models, without reducing our LOT 1:500 fleet to a B787's production while the pruduction of narrowbodies seems to never have a good end.

DutchCollector 05-12-2019 11:26 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Beat the Iron while it's hot sounds fair, but might end up being very one sided releases. For example; KLM and Lufthansa both developed new colourschemes over the past year(s). Dedicating one slot for KLM and one for LH in every release batch until all models are covered would leave less space for surprises. I think the change of mentality in the LOT management is very unique, and shouldn't be representative of their wider production line.

Charter 05-16-2019 07:21 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Claerly not so many fans of the B737 classic, except for those real "conoisseurs" collectors, so i decided to quickly pass away this thread posting the remaining loved B737-300/400/500: i will remain in contact with Herpa hoping for a change of mind and different choices about these wonderful models.


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Charter 05-16-2019 07:28 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I am only sad the great majority of collectors complains about some clearly impossible to correct small mistakes while seem not to understand (or they don't want to understand) that without unity and a single voice Herpa will never know our need of more B737-300/400/500.
But maybe the majority of collectors don't want these models focusing their collection in the usual, flag/major airlines widebodies...boring, really boring.
The sad thing is that all these collectors don't reflect on the fact that Herpa decision to close B737-300/400/500 production is the end of an era and of a great part of 1:500 scale that only Herpa has been able to write.
The mystery is "how is it possible that an Italian collector, very far from countries where the B737-300, B737-400 and B737-500 filled the sky as flies, want them in 1:500 scale while collectors of those countries don't care about them".



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The_K 05-16-2019 09:46 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Each time I see this "Colorado Springs", I think about buying it :)

But it's also an interesting story about demand for 737-300: Herpa did this model in 2016, 18 years after the airline folded. Today, three years later the model is still everywhere available for a very low price…

getifero 05-16-2019 12:07 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charter (Post 1127028)
Claerly not so many fans of the B737 classic, except for those real "conoisseurs" collectors...

I’m sorry that you didn’t receive the response you would have liked. What is worse it’s again me (with my lack of »positivism«) who feels called up to put the record straight.

If only few Wings900 members post a reply this could be due to a general decline in interest (I don’t want to analyse this more profoundly), but it could be also because some members are a bit tired of your high-resolution close-ups that rather disenchant then flatter the respective models.

I said it before, your repetitive perspective is excellent for model comparisons, but it also sometimes overemphasises their shortcomings. Many of the Boeing 737 Classic models you have lined up photographically in this thread look quite outdated and poor. And it is not because we are not »real connoisseurs« that we are not attracted by close-ups of wrong nose shapes, wrong nose gear positions, oversized (front) gear tires and thick engine pylons.

The Boeing 737 Classic mould-lines were reworked several times by herpa and HOGAN and most of the Boeing 737 Classic models you compiled in this thread belong to earlier development stages. The latest development stages seem to be out of reach for herpa as they used an early mould for their latest Boeing 737 Classic release.

The early mould tooling »is broke« or not economically usable (requiring too much manual rework?), the latest mould tooling is kept under lock and key by HOGAN or elsewhere untraceable. It would be therefore for herpa to invest in new mould tooling-lines (737-300/400/500).

How many Boeing 737 Classic models would have to be produced and sold to redeem the new Boeing 737 Classic mould tooling lines? I know there would be thousands of livery choices but this is not the point. Will there be a market for thousands of Boeing 737 Classic models in the next years? How many 737-700 releases did herpa realize in the last years? Is it just herpa that injudicious neglected the 737-700 (and other smaller models like the A319) or is the demand for smaller models rather moderate in our scale.

Because demand is also driven by supply and quality, it’s hard to say what is causing the increasing constriction on bigger models. I think one very important point is that herpa has larger profit margins with bigger models.

I deeply regret the current trends and hate to see herpa prioritize a 777-9 mould tooling over a MAX8/9 (to give just an example). I would love more moulds of smaller (Embraer E2-family) or historic aircraft (as the Boeing 737 Classic are by now), but not at the expense of grossly oversized gears or further low quality features.

I cannot see why herpa is not willing to rework the ATR front gear, I cannot get over the fact that herpa accepted the current, badly downscaled JC-Wings A320-family and I am deeply concerned that herpa is not willing to improve substantially the MAX8/9 samples shown at the latest Nuremberg toy fare. At this point I don’t want more splitting up of herpas mould investment activities; I want more quality, more models and less toys in our scale.

mmp-ace 05-16-2019 03:44 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
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Originally Posted by getifero (Post 1127058)


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Many of the Boeing 737 Classic models you have lined up photographically in this thread look quite outdated and poor. And it is not because we are not »real connoisseurs« that we are not attracted by close-ups of wrong nose shapes, wrong nose gear positions, oversized (front) gear tires and thick engine pylons.

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How many Boeing 737 Classic models would have to be produced and sold to redeem the new Boeing 737 Classic mould tooling lines? I know there would be thousands of livery choices but this is not the point. Will there be a market for thousands of Boeing 737 Classic models in the next years? How many 737-700 releases did herpa realize in the last years? Is it just herpa that injudicious neglected the 737-700 (and other smaller models like the A319) or is the demand for smaller models rather moderate in our scale.

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I think one very important point is that herpa has larger profit margins with bigger models.


These are really really very good points and reflects my opinion very much. Everybody who had at least one business management training in his life should know, that you should only produce what you can sell. On top Mr. Kuelgen said in one of those three or four Herpa chats, that big models (like A380, B787 and others) and also NEW models sell well, for ex. the A350.

Some of these questions here make me shake my head because to me (!!) they sound very childish.

Examples? Why did Herpa produce the A318 but not now new B737-300? Really? Why? Because Airbus wanted them to do it because they wanted the whole fleet. No wonder Herpa THEN started to release A318 of other airlines too.


More examples? Why did Herpa delete the Sudan A300, it would have been a beauty. Really? Why? Because when Herpa released the news the local dealers ordered the news, but only a few ordered this model. No wonder they didn't release it. Everybody who thinks that would have been a top seller, should buy the next "top seller" completely and try to sell them. For sure some months later that person would be sitting crying in a bulk of the 1000 same models which havn't been sold. (The only exception is the Laker DC-10 because I (!!) would buy them all. :tt2::tt2: )

BUT beside this little joke there is some truth in it: A DC-10 or a B737-100 or a -200 or a Tristar IS a classic. It has a complete other stand as the B737-300, -400 or -500. Do I need all those shown models again in a better mould? DEFINITELY NOT. The old moulds were ugly seen with the eyes of 2019 and I am happy to have sold all those ugly boys.

Okay, more examples: Why did Herpa cancel the Korean A380? Because Korean told them so. First idea of Korean was only to sell them as inflight models, that idea was canceled later too. Same goes for the Lauda 737-800.

So what can Herpa do? "Yeah, the airlines want to cancel those models, we don't care, we just release them?" As I said, to me (!) a very childish thinking.

The_K 05-16-2019 06:24 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmp-ace (Post 1127084)
and also NEW models sell well, for ex. the A350.

I guess, nobody is surprised there's demand for A350 from Lufthansa, British, Delta, Air China, Qatar or Singapore. And for sure there's demand for the new colors of Lufthansa or United Airlines.

BUT: Is there really more demand for Emirates 777-300ER or A380 with just another advertisment or even just another registration than for all DC-10, 747-100/200/300, 737-100/200, Tristar and A300/A310 *together*?

On one end "retro" colors are a save bet, even from quite exotic airlines, but real historics are "one per year and mold"?

mmp-ace 05-17-2019 07:51 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_K (Post 1127098)
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BUT: Is there really more demand for Emirates 777-300ER or A380 with just another advertisment or even just another registration than for all DC-10, 747-100/200/300, 737-100/200, Tristar and A300/A310 *together*?
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Yes there is. First of all, if there wern't, they wouldn't release them. Second, go on FR24 and have a look how much Emirates widebodies are in the air. Lots of people buy them, Dubai Airport is full of them too. And on top, there must be lots of collectors who build up big Emirates fleets.

Charter 05-17-2019 03:06 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmp-ace (Post 1127112)
Yes there is. First of all, if there wern't, they wouldn't release them. Second, go on FR24 and have a look how much Emirates widebodies are in the air. Lots of people buy them, Dubai Airport is full of them too. And on top, there must be lots of collectors who build up big Emirates fleets.

Maybe you're true, but this is not a justification especially for the lack of communication.
Herpa should say


"we will never produce B737 classic (as said), L-1011, A300, A310, DC-10, B727-100/200, DC-8, DC-9, Fokker 50, Fokker 100, SSJ-100, B737-600, B737-700, niche airlines, exotic airlines, neos, Blue Panorama, Korean Air, Eva Air, Jet2.com, Jet2holidays, Laker Airways, JetTime, Thomas Cook Scandinavia, Aviolet etc. etc., narrowbodies, African airlines, central-south America airlines
because
we have to produce Lufthansa, Qantas, Emirates, German airlines, widebodies, P-3 Orion, C-160, Tu-134's, Il-18's for marketing reasons!".


Said that each of us could decide if continue to hope for something new from Herpa or switching to 1:400 collection.
Yes, we can decide the same not to waste our money with the usual, boring releases, but finding a possible, true explanation to Herpa marketing policy doesn't stop the mysteries around the only 1:500 manufacturer, the collection with more moulds and models produced, a manufacturer famous all over the world and, once, a real myth for producing whole fleets, niche/exotic airlines, all the possible airliners except for very few.

The_K 05-17-2019 04:31 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
May I add a word? "have to produce current Lufthansa, Qantas, Emirates…".

Even for those historics are a rare sight – I've already ranted about all the *MAJOR* A300 Herpa never did (or only OG). All these three are on that list.

Charter 05-28-2019 12:49 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I am just dreaming a beauty like this in 1:500, even in the broken, dated, old B737-500 mould...
I continue to think Herpa would have thousands of models to realize and the Egyptair B737-500 is one of them!
I flew four times with this beauty, FCO - CAI, wonderful baby Boeing.


https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/18926_1299304555.jpg

uncle beat 05-29-2019 05:23 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I would REALLY love the old, gold 737-200 from them--that would be even better in my opinion!! Can't get enough of the 737, and like you, I don't appreciate the broken mold excuse. It is like walking away from an old friend

Charter 05-30-2019 01:51 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle beat (Post 1127900)
I would REALLY love the old, gold 737-200 from them--that would be even better in my opinion!! Can't get enough of the 737, and like you, I don't appreciate the broken mold excuse. It is like walking away from an old friend

Mr. Kuelgen is the last hope: i don't think it should be difficult to change mind and marketing if really Herpa wants to make something of new or, better, something of very dated but enormously popular and economically advantageous.

The_K 05-30-2019 07:57 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I've just made a list of all 737 classic, Herpa made recently. That mold was already dying a slow death: The last 737-500 was Aer Lingus with that ugly red dot in 2007 (Transavia Imperial was canceled later), 737-400 died in 2010 with 50 years Alaska and 80 years LOT – I'd call that "leaving in style"…

Since then, only the 737-300 was kept alive by Lufthansa, who phased them out in 2015:
2012: 300, Lufthansa Cargo
2012: 300, Lufthansa
2012: 300, Western Pacific, "Colorado Springs"
2016: 300, Lufthansa "Fanhansa"

Ok, so the classic is dead – and Herpa has canceled the 737-300 for America West Airlines…

But Herpa has a great mold for a 737-200!
https://cdn.planespotters.net/photo/...bd9ec59419.jpg

Or for a 737-100, as America West had as well. So Herpa can still do a lot nice and often just the same versions with the original 737. An airplane, which with it's short length on all versions and it's tiny engines looks far more historic than the "classic" (which for the untrained eye is just "missing the winglets"). So let's not whine for that's gone, but praise what's possible – and Herpa, give us -100 and -200 until that mold glows!

LeoMuse747 05-30-2019 08:01 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
B737-100/200: 737 "Jurassic"
B737-300/400/500 are the ones known as the "737 Classics"

Herpa have the IF500 molds available for the 737-100/200, so these are not the ones in question here... })


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