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The_K 05-16-2019 09:46 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Each time I see this "Colorado Springs", I think about buying it :)

But it's also an interesting story about demand for 737-300: Herpa did this model in 2016, 18 years after the airline folded. Today, three years later the model is still everywhere available for a very low price…

getifero 05-16-2019 12:07 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charter (Post 1127028)
Claerly not so many fans of the B737 classic, except for those real "conoisseurs" collectors...

I’m sorry that you didn’t receive the response you would have liked. What is worse it’s again me (with my lack of »positivism«) who feels called up to put the record straight.

If only few Wings900 members post a reply this could be due to a general decline in interest (I don’t want to analyse this more profoundly), but it could be also because some members are a bit tired of your high-resolution close-ups that rather disenchant then flatter the respective models.

I said it before, your repetitive perspective is excellent for model comparisons, but it also sometimes overemphasises their shortcomings. Many of the Boeing 737 Classic models you have lined up photographically in this thread look quite outdated and poor. And it is not because we are not »real connoisseurs« that we are not attracted by close-ups of wrong nose shapes, wrong nose gear positions, oversized (front) gear tires and thick engine pylons.

The Boeing 737 Classic mould-lines were reworked several times by herpa and HOGAN and most of the Boeing 737 Classic models you compiled in this thread belong to earlier development stages. The latest development stages seem to be out of reach for herpa as they used an early mould for their latest Boeing 737 Classic release.

The early mould tooling »is broke« or not economically usable (requiring too much manual rework?), the latest mould tooling is kept under lock and key by HOGAN or elsewhere untraceable. It would be therefore for herpa to invest in new mould tooling-lines (737-300/400/500).

How many Boeing 737 Classic models would have to be produced and sold to redeem the new Boeing 737 Classic mould tooling lines? I know there would be thousands of livery choices but this is not the point. Will there be a market for thousands of Boeing 737 Classic models in the next years? How many 737-700 releases did herpa realize in the last years? Is it just herpa that injudicious neglected the 737-700 (and other smaller models like the A319) or is the demand for smaller models rather moderate in our scale.

Because demand is also driven by supply and quality, it’s hard to say what is causing the increasing constriction on bigger models. I think one very important point is that herpa has larger profit margins with bigger models.

I deeply regret the current trends and hate to see herpa prioritize a 777-9 mould tooling over a MAX8/9 (to give just an example). I would love more moulds of smaller (Embraer E2-family) or historic aircraft (as the Boeing 737 Classic are by now), but not at the expense of grossly oversized gears or further low quality features.

I cannot see why herpa is not willing to rework the ATR front gear, I cannot get over the fact that herpa accepted the current, badly downscaled JC-Wings A320-family and I am deeply concerned that herpa is not willing to improve substantially the MAX8/9 samples shown at the latest Nuremberg toy fare. At this point I don’t want more splitting up of herpas mould investment activities; I want more quality, more models and less toys in our scale.

mmp-ace 05-16-2019 03:44 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by getifero (Post 1127058)


...
Many of the Boeing 737 Classic models you have lined up photographically in this thread look quite outdated and poor. And it is not because we are not »real connoisseurs« that we are not attracted by close-ups of wrong nose shapes, wrong nose gear positions, oversized (front) gear tires and thick engine pylons.

...

How many Boeing 737 Classic models would have to be produced and sold to redeem the new Boeing 737 Classic mould tooling lines? I know there would be thousands of livery choices but this is not the point. Will there be a market for thousands of Boeing 737 Classic models in the next years? How many 737-700 releases did herpa realize in the last years? Is it just herpa that injudicious neglected the 737-700 (and other smaller models like the A319) or is the demand for smaller models rather moderate in our scale.

...


I think one very important point is that herpa has larger profit margins with bigger models.


These are really really very good points and reflects my opinion very much. Everybody who had at least one business management training in his life should know, that you should only produce what you can sell. On top Mr. Kuelgen said in one of those three or four Herpa chats, that big models (like A380, B787 and others) and also NEW models sell well, for ex. the A350.

Some of these questions here make me shake my head because to me (!!) they sound very childish.

Examples? Why did Herpa produce the A318 but not now new B737-300? Really? Why? Because Airbus wanted them to do it because they wanted the whole fleet. No wonder Herpa THEN started to release A318 of other airlines too.


More examples? Why did Herpa delete the Sudan A300, it would have been a beauty. Really? Why? Because when Herpa released the news the local dealers ordered the news, but only a few ordered this model. No wonder they didn't release it. Everybody who thinks that would have been a top seller, should buy the next "top seller" completely and try to sell them. For sure some months later that person would be sitting crying in a bulk of the 1000 same models which havn't been sold. (The only exception is the Laker DC-10 because I (!!) would buy them all. :tt2::tt2: )

BUT beside this little joke there is some truth in it: A DC-10 or a B737-100 or a -200 or a Tristar IS a classic. It has a complete other stand as the B737-300, -400 or -500. Do I need all those shown models again in a better mould? DEFINITELY NOT. The old moulds were ugly seen with the eyes of 2019 and I am happy to have sold all those ugly boys.

Okay, more examples: Why did Herpa cancel the Korean A380? Because Korean told them so. First idea of Korean was only to sell them as inflight models, that idea was canceled later too. Same goes for the Lauda 737-800.

So what can Herpa do? "Yeah, the airlines want to cancel those models, we don't care, we just release them?" As I said, to me (!) a very childish thinking.

The_K 05-16-2019 06:24 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmp-ace (Post 1127084)
and also NEW models sell well, for ex. the A350.

I guess, nobody is surprised there's demand for A350 from Lufthansa, British, Delta, Air China, Qatar or Singapore. And for sure there's demand for the new colors of Lufthansa or United Airlines.

BUT: Is there really more demand for Emirates 777-300ER or A380 with just another advertisment or even just another registration than for all DC-10, 747-100/200/300, 737-100/200, Tristar and A300/A310 *together*?

On one end "retro" colors are a save bet, even from quite exotic airlines, but real historics are "one per year and mold"?

mmp-ace 05-17-2019 07:51 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_K (Post 1127098)
...

BUT: Is there really more demand for Emirates 777-300ER or A380 with just another advertisment or even just another registration than for all DC-10, 747-100/200/300, 737-100/200, Tristar and A300/A310 *together*?
...


Yes there is. First of all, if there wern't, they wouldn't release them. Second, go on FR24 and have a look how much Emirates widebodies are in the air. Lots of people buy them, Dubai Airport is full of them too. And on top, there must be lots of collectors who build up big Emirates fleets.

Charter 05-17-2019 03:06 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmp-ace (Post 1127112)
Yes there is. First of all, if there wern't, they wouldn't release them. Second, go on FR24 and have a look how much Emirates widebodies are in the air. Lots of people buy them, Dubai Airport is full of them too. And on top, there must be lots of collectors who build up big Emirates fleets.

Maybe you're true, but this is not a justification especially for the lack of communication.
Herpa should say


"we will never produce B737 classic (as said), L-1011, A300, A310, DC-10, B727-100/200, DC-8, DC-9, Fokker 50, Fokker 100, SSJ-100, B737-600, B737-700, niche airlines, exotic airlines, neos, Blue Panorama, Korean Air, Eva Air, Jet2.com, Jet2holidays, Laker Airways, JetTime, Thomas Cook Scandinavia, Aviolet etc. etc., narrowbodies, African airlines, central-south America airlines
because
we have to produce Lufthansa, Qantas, Emirates, German airlines, widebodies, P-3 Orion, C-160, Tu-134's, Il-18's for marketing reasons!".


Said that each of us could decide if continue to hope for something new from Herpa or switching to 1:400 collection.
Yes, we can decide the same not to waste our money with the usual, boring releases, but finding a possible, true explanation to Herpa marketing policy doesn't stop the mysteries around the only 1:500 manufacturer, the collection with more moulds and models produced, a manufacturer famous all over the world and, once, a real myth for producing whole fleets, niche/exotic airlines, all the possible airliners except for very few.

The_K 05-17-2019 04:31 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
May I add a word? "have to produce current Lufthansa, Qantas, Emirates…".

Even for those historics are a rare sight – I've already ranted about all the *MAJOR* A300 Herpa never did (or only OG). All these three are on that list.

Charter 05-28-2019 12:49 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I am just dreaming a beauty like this in 1:500, even in the broken, dated, old B737-500 mould...
I continue to think Herpa would have thousands of models to realize and the Egyptair B737-500 is one of them!
I flew four times with this beauty, FCO - CAI, wonderful baby Boeing.


https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/18926_1299304555.jpg

uncle beat 05-29-2019 05:23 AM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I would REALLY love the old, gold 737-200 from them--that would be even better in my opinion!! Can't get enough of the 737, and like you, I don't appreciate the broken mold excuse. It is like walking away from an old friend

Charter 05-30-2019 01:51 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle beat (Post 1127900)
I would REALLY love the old, gold 737-200 from them--that would be even better in my opinion!! Can't get enough of the 737, and like you, I don't appreciate the broken mold excuse. It is like walking away from an old friend

Mr. Kuelgen is the last hope: i don't think it should be difficult to change mind and marketing if really Herpa wants to make something of new or, better, something of very dated but enormously popular and economically advantageous.

The_K 05-30-2019 07:57 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
I've just made a list of all 737 classic, Herpa made recently. That mold was already dying a slow death: The last 737-500 was Aer Lingus with that ugly red dot in 2007 (Transavia Imperial was canceled later), 737-400 died in 2010 with 50 years Alaska and 80 years LOT – I'd call that "leaving in style"…

Since then, only the 737-300 was kept alive by Lufthansa, who phased them out in 2015:
2012: 300, Lufthansa Cargo
2012: 300, Lufthansa
2012: 300, Western Pacific, "Colorado Springs"
2016: 300, Lufthansa "Fanhansa"

Ok, so the classic is dead – and Herpa has canceled the 737-300 for America West Airlines…

But Herpa has a great mold for a 737-200!
https://cdn.planespotters.net/photo/...bd9ec59419.jpg

Or for a 737-100, as America West had as well. So Herpa can still do a lot nice and often just the same versions with the original 737. An airplane, which with it's short length on all versions and it's tiny engines looks far more historic than the "classic" (which for the untrained eye is just "missing the winglets"). So let's not whine for that's gone, but praise what's possible – and Herpa, give us -100 and -200 until that mold glows!

LeoMuse747 05-30-2019 08:01 PM

Re: My loved B737 classic: B737-300/400/500.
 
B737-100/200: 737 "Jurassic"
B737-300/400/500 are the ones known as the "737 Classics"

Herpa have the IF500 molds available for the 737-100/200, so these are not the ones in question here... })


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