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Old 10-03-2011, 11:32 AM   #1
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Fantasy models

There are some models in database which will never become real:
ID 16142 Continental Airlines B787
why not add to description of the model - fantasy model.
Most probably there are also other models, released before the official aircraft delivery.

I suggest to modified description adding: "FANTASY LIVERY" titles, and remove those adds when the real plane is delivered in same livery as model made before delivery. This is happend mostly with A380 and B787 as well as B747-8.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:20 PM   #2
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Re: Fantasy models

Caming back to the matter, I have question to admins:

What are the factors to say: This model is fantasy model?
The livery? The aircraft?

Sorry to drain this subject again, but I really want to know...
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:26 AM   #3
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Re: Fantasy models

Fantasy are models of aircraft an liveries that never existed in real life. Just for model and collectors sake.
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Re: Fantasy models

OK, this explain all.

Now other question:

Continental B787-800 is fantasy model or not?
Cathay A380 in golden and standard colors?
Kingsfisher A380?
JAL B787?

I know some of them can be ordered in the future, but now for me they are fantasy models and should be mentioned as those in database. Am I right or wrong?
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Re: Fantasy models

Future released models are like blueprints.
So I can't really name those fanatsy like the Coca Cola Dc-10 wich was made for commercial reasons ONLY.
If the AC is never made then we can call it fantasy. Fantasy is as it implies... an aircraft imagined!
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Re: Fantasy models

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Future released models are like blueprints.
So I can't really name those fanatsy like the Coca Cola Dc-10 wich was made for commercial reasons ONLY.
If the AC is never made then we can call it fantasy. Fantasy is as it implies... an aircraft imagined!
So if an aircraft has only been ordered and not delivered, then this is also 'an aircraft imagined by the model manufacturer as how it will look when delivered....which may never happen if the order is cancelled. Therefore in my mind these are also fantasy models as the livery may change when it is finally delivered.
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Re: Fantasy models

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So if an aircraft has only been ordered and not delivered, then this is also 'an aircraft imagined by the model manufacturer as how it will look when delivered....which may never happen if the order is cancelled. Therefore in my mind these are also fantasy models as the livery may change when it is finally delivered.

This is exactly what I want to say. From comercial point of view they are interesting items for collectors, but in true all those models are fantasy.
Continental doesn't exist anymore and no one B787 will be delivered in this painting scheme as well as NWA. Cathay will never have gold painted A380, as well as BA or SIA will never have A380 painted gold.

What I want to be done is to put in Remark section, that this model never wear this livery or was never painted in this scheme colors. This will make different between real planes and makers imaginations about how the plane will look if the airline will do her in this way.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:26 AM   #8
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Re: Fantasy models

@ Albert
Yes the title could be changed into Fantasy if it neved comes out.

@Tomek, the remark IS there as in the DB a comment is added. That could also be the comment text stating that it was a rough idea of what it would look like.

For example there used to be the preview of the A320 with the lufthansa 80's colors. Until it was released Lufthansa had the current scheme.

That is where your contribution is welcome to correct the facts of each model. Thanx guys for your ideas!
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Re: Fantasy models

My advice would be to enter the given registration of any suspected fantasy model into Airliners.net and see if that livery has ever existed in real life. If you only collect models with liveries that have taken to the skies it's best to check them out before buying.
My customised models are planes that have existed but no manufacturer has produced them with either the livery or registration number.
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Re: Fantasy models

  • First of all the database should help collectors to find and identify their models.
  • When the airline is Lufthansa it should be listed under Lufthansa regardless of being a fantasy model or not.
If we would add all "fantasy" models as airline name to the database, like "Fantasy Lufthansa", "Fantasy Air France" ... that would not make any sense at all.
We can not put everything into the remark section, but if possible we add things like "fantasy" gold colors, "never operated in this colors" and so on, if this data is available.

tomek-czarnyszewicz:
I suggest to modified description adding: "FANTASY LIVERY" titles, and remove those adds when the real plane is delivered in same livery as model made before delivery. This is happend mostly with A380 and B787 as well as B747-8.

I am afraid, we don“t have capacity for that. There are tons of new releases every month and it is hard to keep pace with it. It is simply impossible to cross-check if all of the models come in correct colors or not. Now coming back to your question, when should we call it a "Fantasy" model?
  • when it has no gear
  • when the registration is wrong / missing
  • when the colors are wrong
  • when the mould is not accurate
  • when details are missing
  • when they are Schabak models (joking)
  • when they are Herpa old generation models (haha)
  • ...... ???
You see it is not that easy.

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Re: Fantasy models

Fucett Peru:

Please do not understand me wrong. My suggestion is just to add a simple information in Remark section of model description: "aircraft never flow in this livery" or "fantasy livery".
I agree:
- if the model not have registration, but the livery is correct or have some mistakes (wrong color shade, lack of details, misprintings);
- if the model has no landings gears or shape is wrong (not exactly as we expect to be);
those models should be not fantasy. And all of them should be mentioned under the name of airline represented by them.

What I would like to mention is, that many models made as typical commercial releases: golden colors (Cathay A380, many B707) or to early released models from now a day non-existing airlines (Continental B787, NWA B787) should have such information. Let keep them under airline name but inform that this livery was never issued for such plane. Of course for many of us is clear which model is "origin" and which one is "fantasy", but the database is used first of all by newcomers to the forum. They should have such information, otherwise many can make mistakes buying a golden Cathay A380 as special livery not as fantasy. I hope you understand my way of thinking.
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Re: Fantasy models

I changed all db entries of gold & silver plated models I could find, as well as all A380s and 787s I could find.
If there are some left, please give me a hint.
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Re: Fantasy models

Thanks, this will make clear which model is/was real one which never appear on tarmacs.
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