I hate unique liveries

Amirbatna · 07-28-2008, 06:10 PM

Hi everyone !

Please don't take the following text seriously. I was in a very bad mood for a reason that has no relation to models in anyway when I wrote it, and now when I read it, I find it ridiculous. Off course each model collector has his particular preferences, making his collection unique.

But I still want to know why people prefer unique liveries or strict airline colors. Thanks.

-- Begin --

I'm sorry for lovers of Wunala and Nalanji dreamings, flying Pokemons, Mickey Mouses and Simpsons, but I hate unique liveries.

When I see a picture of a bird, or own a model of it, I like to know that, registrations aside, dozens of identical birds fly around the world, contributing to the history and the image of the airline.

A special hate-prize goes to liveries with ads of watches, movies or sport competitions. I hate those. The ads are quickly removed from the planes and you get stuck with a model that neither is flying, nor is a classic. Then you just have to thank some guy who thought of taking a picture of it when camping for hours next to the runway.

I couldn't agree more with Mrs Thatcher on the hideousness of the of the British Airways ethnic liveries. When you are a national flag carrier with the history and the prestige of BA, the livery of your fleet and especially the paint-scheme of the tail has almost the same symbolic value as the flag or the anthem of your country, especially if we consider how often these “ambassadors” are seen abroad. Don't mess with the liveries of the flag carriers ! Keep the “fleet” and "ambassador" spirit !

I tend to organize my collection to have 3-4 aircraft of the same airline with the same livery, creating sorts of mini-fleets, and I consider it really pretty to look at. I have only a few models of unique birds, but only because they were a good deal to buy and I'm going to sell them sooner or later.

My hatred of unique liveries is smaller when it concerns models of charter jets, but then I hate them because they are charters. The smaller a charter company is, the more I hate when a model of it's aircraft it's released. You have to become serious enough as an airline to have model manufacturers make models of your planes ! JetsGo ?? Phuket Airlines ?? Come on !

And what about these moronic fantasy liveries and “Merry Christmas” pieces of metal on wheels ? Did anyone really buy one of those ? Really ?

-- End --

Please don't ban me. I'm back to normal

HerpaYVR · 07-28-2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amirbatna

Hi everyone !

Please don't take the following text seriously. I was in a very bad mood for a reason that has no relation to models in anyway when I wrote it, and now when I read it, I find it ridiculous. Off course each model collector has his particular preferences, making his collection unique.

But I still want to know why people prefer unique liveries or strict airline colors. Thanks.

-- Begin --

I'm sorry for lovers of Wunala and Nalanji dreamings, flying Pokemons, Mickey Mouses and Simpsons, but I hate unique liveries.

When I see a picture of a bird, or own a model of it, I like to know that, registrations aside, dozens of identical birds fly around the world, contributing to the history and the image of the airline.

A special hate-prize goes to liveries with ads of watches, movies or sport competitions. I hate those. The ads are quickly removed from the planes and you get stuck with a model that neither is flying, nor is a classic. Then you just have to thank some guy who thought of taking a picture of it when camping for hours next to the runway.

I couldn't agree more with Mrs Thatcher on the hideousness of the of the British Airways ethnic liveries. When you are a national flag carrier with the history and the prestige of BA, the livery of your fleet and especially the paint-scheme of the tail has almost the same symbolic value as the flag or the anthem of your country, especially if we consider how often these “ambassadors” are seen abroad. Don't mess with the liveries of the flag carriers ! Keep the “fleet” and "ambassador" spirit !

I tend to organize my collection to have 3-4 aircraft of the same airline with the same livery, creating sorts of mini-fleets, and I consider it really pretty to look at. I have only a few models of unique birds, but only because they were a good deal to buy and I'm going to sell them sooner or later.

My hatred of unique liveries is smaller when it concerns models of charter jets, but then I hate them because they are charters. The smaller a charter company is, the more I hate when a model of it's aircraft it's released. You have to become serious enough as an airline to have model manufacturers make models of your planes ! JetsGo ?? Phuket Airlines ?? Come on !

And what about these moronic fantasy liveries and “Merry Christmas” pieces of metal on wheels ? Did anyone really buy one of those ? Really ?

-- End --

Please don't ban me. I'm back to normal

Mon ami

Vous avez beaucoup de colère dans vos mots

...and for the rest of us, it's all good. Unique liveries make the planes ...well unique and interesting.

MD11Freighter · 07-28-2008, 07:00 PM

Hey it's all good I am mad at you!

garyw77 · 07-28-2008, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amirbatna

I couldn't agree more with Mrs Thatcher on the hideousness of the of the British Airways ethnic liveries. When you are a national flag carrier with the history and the prestige of BA, the livery of your fleet and especially the paint-scheme of the tail has almost the same symbolic value as the flag or the anthem of your country, especially if we consider how often these “ambassadors” are seen abroad. Don't mess with the liveries of the flag carriers ! Keep the “fleet” and "ambassador" spirit !

I realise you said not to take it seriously, and seriously i haven't!!

But..just to pick up on the Utopia tails which you mentioned...i do not feel that they were as bad as a lot of people say.
The fact is that the present UJ scheme we see now was in fact one of the "ethnic liveries" but given just to the Concorde at the time..named "Chatham" and they decided to give this to all the fleet after removing the other Utopias.
I would have personally prefered to see the different Utopia tails continued instead of the boring UJ scheme given to all the fleet.
Of course the best option would have been just to have left everything alone and stuck with the Landor livery which oozed sheer class and looked like a livery of a national flag carrier on any aircraft it adorned.

Mudanglee · 07-28-2008, 07:02 PM

You are as unique as the unique liveries

it is called "marketing"

the carriers don't design their liveries for us collectors - they design them to stand out and attract attention so they can make money.

Some are good designs and some are bad (that is true)

but... better than nothing

you rhymed off quite a few unique liveries so I guess the ad agencies did their job well :-)

rapleylikeba · 07-28-2008, 07:29 PM

Well you don't like Frontier or JetBlue then do you?

I must say, I myself am not that fond of unique liverys when it comes to producing models. There are many BA GJ 747s and 777s and AV400 767s and 747s with the World Flags and I would like all of them but in Chatham Dockyard colour scheme (Union Flag). It is nice when an airline has one or two unique aircraft in their fleet e.g. Virgin Atlantic G-VFAB, with a larger woman by the tail and the ANA Pokemon planes.

I do think though, that more regular liverys should be made with models. We've had enough of the World tail series. We can buy them now so lets keep to Chatham Dockyard for future BA models (except for special releases like the Olympics models e.t.c).

Sorry Garyw77.

Frontier and JetBlue should keep their unique tail liveries though. That's how they should stick.

garyw77 · 07-28-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rapleylikeba

Well you don't like Frontier or JetBlue then do you?

I must say, I myself am not that fond of unique liverys when it comes to producing models. There are many BA GJ 747s and 777s and AV400 767s and 747s with the World Flags and I would like all of them but in Chatham Dockyard colour scheme (Union Flag). It is nice when an airline has one or two unique aircraft in their fleet e.g. Virgin Atlantic G-VFAB, with a larger woman by the tail and the ANA Pokemon planes.

I do think though, that more regular liverys should be made with models. We've had enough of the World tail series. We can buy them now so lets keep to Chatham Dockyard for future BA models (except for special releases like the Olympics models e.t.c).

Sorry Garyw77.

Frontier and JetBlue should keep their unique tail liveries though. That's how they should stick.

You can just call me Gary by the way!!

I don't think we have had enough of the Utopias. Most people who say that are either people who don't collect them or are unable to get hold of them. The Utopias are just like any other tails of airlines collectors fleet build. I don't go around saying "oh not another Qantas release" or "oh not another AA release!"
Everyone to their own, and of course if you collect that fleet you will want more.
In 1/400 there are loads of excellent examples in Negus/Landor and Utopia that need to be released before we see the UJ scheme run out every other month.
That's of course without all the BEA/BOAC releases that are a must that haven't been covered yet!!

united · 07-28-2008, 08:16 PM

I am not a fan of temporary decals on the sides of planes because they make the planes look inconsistent and cheap espeacially if they are for events(Lufthansa Soccer Noses) I hate advertising (e.g. Gilette on Virgin Blue) on aircrafts. The look like billboards with wheels (that includes the Pokemon Tails).

I do like consistent unique liveries such as the Qantas pair and the BA World Tails because they are different and very coolourful. I miss those SQ tropical pair.

HerpaYVR · 07-28-2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD11Freighter

Hey it's all good I am mad at you!

who?

Digital · 07-28-2008, 08:57 PM

As far as special liveries go, I think there are good ones and bad ones. I've never heard anyone completly hate on special liveries, and I dont understand such disdain for them. Some liveries like Wunala and Nalanji, Singapores Tropical, among many otheres to be some of the most beautiful aircraft to take to the skies. Im proud to have some in my collection and they look splendid on my shelf or airport tarmac. Then again some dont interest me, Im not to excited about retrojets, advertisements, or billboards, they ususaly come accross as boreing and uncreative.

Sometimes special liveries actualy contribute to the legacy of the airline. You stated that you belive that only the ''Identical'' liveries create the image of the airline, but sometimes the opposite is the case. If you look at Braniff, they really defined themselves with thier colorful liveries. These days Braniff is considered a classic airline gone into aviation history, mainly through the use of trendy colors and marketing. Terms like ''Big Orange'', ''Jellybean'', and ''Calder'' instantly evoke the braniff legacy, long after the airline left the sky, aviation fans can instantly recall braniff at the meer mention of one of these terms.

The same goes for The BA utopia tails, they where cool unique works of art aboard machinery (I happen to be friends with the artist who did the tail on Deutsche BA - Pop Art aka Metropolis), dispite what thatcher thinks (Why should Tatchers opinion effect your hobby?), they totaly defined the airline as it entered the new mellenium. Qantas's wunala and nalanji where the flagships of the fleet while they flew.

On the other hand, advertisements like Vodaphone, Disneyland, Pokemon, or T-mobile dont do much for me, it usualy depends on the airline, i like promotional liveries on Germanwings for some reason.

As for as fantasy liveries, I have all but stoped collecting those. I only buy herpas christmas liveries, as that has become somewhat of a tradition for me, though I just keep em boxed away. Others dont care for em. And I am 100% willing to agree that Netmodels gilded models are by far the ugliest things you can ever make diecast.

Captain Wahoo · 07-28-2008, 09:41 PM

I don't like them either. Thanks for thinking like me!

Ferihegy · 07-29-2008, 01:33 AM

You touched a difficult topic here... Are these "special" paintings really so bad?

Indeed, they are hard to get and disappear quickly. But let's be honest: special paintigs are only a very small part of the whole airline-fleet. There are airlines which have none of them and there are some which have a little bit more that usual (JAL, ANA...). I'm sure you are not forced to collect these, they are just there.

Boeing 747-8 · 07-29-2008, 01:53 AM

im the same 2 i rather have the normal paint

MD11Freighter · 07-29-2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJarego

who?

Oh I meant the poster of this thread

HerpaYVR · 07-29-2008, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD11Freighter

Oh I meant the poster of this thread

Ohhh Ok then, man I was worried, I had sleepless nights

about that, I try to be nice to everyone and even avoid a lot of topics just to avoid Confrontation (big word for me today) so we are Ok, good then.

Did I say I like these liveries as a marketer this is what we do, stand out and have people talk about stuff like this.

07-28-2008, 06:10 PM	#1
Amirbatna RJ Second Officer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sherbrooke, Qc, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 179	I hate unique liveries Hi everyone ! Please don't take the following text seriously. I was in a very bad mood for a reason that has no relation to models in anyway when I wrote it, and now when I read it, I find it ridiculous. Off course each model collector has his particular preferences, making his collection unique. But I still want to know why people prefer unique liveries or strict airline colors. Thanks. -- Begin -- I'm sorry for lovers of Wunala and Nalanji dreamings, flying Pokemons, Mickey Mouses and Simpsons, but I hate unique liveries. When I see a picture of a bird, or own a model of it, I like to know that, registrations aside, dozens of identical birds fly around the world, contributing to the history and the image of the airline. A special hate-prize goes to liveries with ads of watches, movies or sport competitions. I hate those. The ads are quickly removed from the planes and you get stuck with a model that neither is flying, nor is a classic. Then you just have to thank some guy who thought of taking a picture of it when camping for hours next to the runway. I couldn't agree more with Mrs Thatcher on the hideousness of the of the British Airways ethnic liveries. When you are a national flag carrier with the history and the prestige of BA, the livery of your fleet and especially the paint-scheme of the tail has almost the same symbolic value as the flag or the anthem of your country, especially if we consider how often these “ambassadors” are seen abroad. Don't mess with the liveries of the flag carriers ! Keep the “fleet” and "ambassador" spirit ! I tend to organize my collection to have 3-4 aircraft of the same airline with the same livery, creating sorts of mini-fleets, and I consider it really pretty to look at. I have only a few models of unique birds, but only because they were a good deal to buy and I'm going to sell them sooner or later. My hatred of unique liveries is smaller when it concerns models of charter jets, but then I hate them because they are charters. The smaller a charter company is, the more I hate when a model of it's aircraft it's released. You have to become serious enough as an airline to have model manufacturers make models of your planes ! JetsGo ?? Phuket Airlines ?? Come on ! And what about these moronic fantasy liveries and “Merry Christmas” pieces of metal on wheels ? Did anyone really buy one of those ? Really ? -- End -- Please don't ban me. I'm back to normal

07-28-2008, 07:00 PM	#3
MD11Freighter Master ATP Captain Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indianapolis, IN Age: 33 Posts: 4,865	Re: I hate unique liveries Hey it's all good I am mad at you!

07-28-2008, 07:02 PM	#5
Mudanglee Second Officer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto Age: 43 Posts: 691	Re: I hate unique liveries You are as unique as the unique liveries it is called "marketing" the carriers don't design their liveries for us collectors - they design them to stand out and attract attention so they can make money. Some are good designs and some are bad (that is true) but... better than nothing you rhymed off quite a few unique liveries so I guess the ad agencies did their job well :-)

07-28-2008, 07:29 PM	#6
rapleylikeba Slow Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Somewhere in the UK probably Age: 18 Posts: 1,028	Re: I hate unique liveries Well you don't like Frontier or JetBlue then do you? I must say, I myself am not that fond of unique liverys when it comes to producing models. There are many BA GJ 747s and 777s and AV400 767s and 747s with the World Flags and I would like all of them but in Chatham Dockyard colour scheme (Union Flag). It is nice when an airline has one or two unique aircraft in their fleet e.g. Virgin Atlantic G-VFAB, with a larger woman by the tail and the ANA Pokemon planes. I do think though, that more regular liverys should be made with models. We've had enough of the World tail series. We can buy them now so lets keep to Chatham Dockyard for future BA models (except for special releases like the Olympics models e.t.c). Sorry Garyw77. Frontier and JetBlue should keep their unique tail liveries though. That's how they should stick. __________________ youtube.com/rapljwop Go Heikki Kovalainen 2012! Go Caterham F1 2012!

07-28-2008, 08:16 PM	#8
united We Stand. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Naperville, IL/Singapore Age: 47 Posts: 874	Re: I hate unique liveries I am not a fan of temporary decals on the sides of planes because they make the planes look inconsistent and cheap espeacially if they are for events(Lufthansa Soccer Noses) I hate advertising (e.g. Gilette on Virgin Blue) on aircrafts. The look like billboards with wheels (that includes the Pokemon Tails). I do like consistent unique liveries such as the Qantas pair and the BA World Tails because they are different and very coolourful. I miss those SQ tropical pair.

07-28-2008, 08:57 PM	#10
Digital Captain Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Age: 29 Posts: 1,021	Re: I hate unique liveries As far as special liveries go, I think there are good ones and bad ones. I've never heard anyone completly hate on special liveries, and I dont understand such disdain for them. Some liveries like Wunala and Nalanji, Singapores Tropical, among many otheres to be some of the most beautiful aircraft to take to the skies. Im proud to have some in my collection and they look splendid on my shelf or airport tarmac. Then again some dont interest me, Im not to excited about retrojets, advertisements, or billboards, they ususaly come accross as boreing and uncreative. Sometimes special liveries actualy contribute to the legacy of the airline. You stated that you belive that only the ''Identical'' liveries create the image of the airline, but sometimes the opposite is the case. If you look at Braniff, they really defined themselves with thier colorful liveries. These days Braniff is considered a classic airline gone into aviation history, mainly through the use of trendy colors and marketing. Terms like ''Big Orange'', ''Jellybean'', and ''Calder'' instantly evoke the braniff legacy, long after the airline left the sky, aviation fans can instantly recall braniff at the meer mention of one of these terms. The same goes for The BA utopia tails, they where cool unique works of art aboard machinery (I happen to be friends with the artist who did the tail on Deutsche BA - Pop Art aka Metropolis), dispite what thatcher thinks (Why should Tatchers opinion effect your hobby?), they totaly defined the airline as it entered the new mellenium. Qantas's wunala and nalanji where the flagships of the fleet while they flew. On the other hand, advertisements like Vodaphone, Disneyland, Pokemon, or T-mobile dont do much for me, it usualy depends on the airline, i like promotional liveries on Germanwings for some reason. As for as fantasy liveries, I have all but stoped collecting those. I only buy herpas christmas liveries, as that has become somewhat of a tradition for me, though I just keep em boxed away. Others dont care for em. And I am 100% willing to agree that Netmodels gilded models are by far the ugliest things you can ever make diecast.

07-28-2008, 09:41 PM	#11
Captain Wahoo Operations Director Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Marquette, MI 49855 Age: 48 Posts: 9,022	Re: I hate unique liveries I don't like them either. Thanks for thinking like me! __________________ If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back, track it down and kill it.

07-29-2008, 01:33 AM	#12
Ferihegy Trijets Lover Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest Age: 29 Posts: 3,968	Re: I hate unique liveries You touched a difficult topic here... Are these "special" paintings really so bad? Indeed, they are hard to get and disappear quickly. But let's be honest: special paintigs are only a very small part of the whole airline-fleet. There are airlines which have none of them and there are some which have a little bit more that usual (JAL, ANA...). I'm sure you are not forced to collect these, they are just there.

07-29-2008, 01:53 AM	#13
Boeing 747-8 Earning My Wings Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 17	Re: I hate unique liveries im the same 2 i rather have the normal paint

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