NEW RELEASE: 1:500 Herpa Cathay Pacific L-1011-385-1

Faucett Peru · 04-28-2006, 03:21 AM

L-1011-385-1

1:500

Country:Hongkong

Asia

NA

13274

2006

NA

Units Produced NA

"1980s colors". "SuperTriStar" Titles. With Gear and Stand. Exclusive for Cathay Pacific.

W2

Box Code: NA

VR-H??

3 RB211-22B

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hikouki · 06-27-2008, 03:49 AM

did any of Cathay's TriStars have this actual scheme, or did herpa/ hogan mess this one up again?

i posted some pics over at the model DB message board:
http://www.wings900.com/vb/252345-post2.html

note the old swire logo (triangular instead of square) is located infront and below the cockpit windows:
DSC04539 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

the most common photos feature a square swire logo beside the 'cathay pacific' titles on the fuselage.

an older one has the triangular swire logo in the same position

and this is another variant, the triangular swire logo between door 1 and the cockpit windows:

Q1: so did any aircraft actually have the triangular swire logo in the same position as the model?
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also, the tail of the model has the area between the elevators and engine #2 exhausts painted white:
DSC04540 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

similar to the hybrid KA/CX:

but all CX tristars on the A.net and JP DBs have the characteristic silver/ unpainted scheme (see photos above).

Q2: was the L-1011 delivered to Cx with the white painted lower tail section?

perhaps, this model carries an un-photographed delivery scheme? anyone know?

(from the first photo i posted, you could see that on the model, the gray of the engine tanks/ belly extends far too forward; and that the front cargo door is too small.)

Faucett Peru · 06-29-2008, 07:21 AM

Thats strange indeed. I also couldn´t find a single picture of a Cathay TriStar with this colors.
Interestingly the Herpa database shows this picture of the model with the common paint scheme at the aft section:

Faucett Peru · 06-29-2008, 07:51 AM

Found another model (Hasegawa) in same colors and a postcard!

At Airline Models - Home :

http://www.airline-models.de/Modelle...%20%201000.jpg

hikouki · 06-29-2008, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faucett Peru

Found another model (Hasewaga) in same colors and a postcard!

At Airline Models - Home :

http://www.airline-models.de/Modelle...%20%201000.jpg

great find Faucett!!!

of course, why didn't i think of comparing it with the 1/200 hasegawas!

i guess i'm a bit too young to have remembered!

i found these also:
HKAEC - A Hasegawa Cathay Pacific L1011 Tristar 1/200 Model
1/200 Hasegawa L-1011 by Dave Michener Jr

indeed, all of them show the triangular CX logo below the cockpit; and the area around the #2 engine/ tail exhaust painted white.

if you look closely at the photo of the tail i attached, an area seems to have been just painted over with white. look closely at the area after the last emergency exit and right before the leading edge of the elevator.

anyway, i wrote to CX this morning, asking about the livery. i even mentioned that perhaps they can show a pic of the original of the model, as there is none identical on any DB. i am still waiting for a response.

[side note...the pic above shows the nationalities of the original CX FAs (L-R): philippines, indonesia (or malaysia?), thailand, and japan. yes, before EK, CX had a multinational crew! then they started hiring from across asia, with up to ten or so different nationalities! after the handover, the maniland authorities required that all CX FAs be HKG or mainland-based, so the multinationals are a rarity now in economy!]

cathay250 · 06-29-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hikouki

great find Faucett!!!

of course, why didn't i think of comparing it with the 1/200 hasegawas!

i guess i'm a bit too young to have remembered!

i found these also:
HKAEC - A Hasegawa Cathay Pacific L1011 Tristar 1/200 Model
1/200 Hasegawa L-1011 by Dave Michener Jr

indeed, all of them show the triangular CX logo below the cockpit; and the area around the #2 engine/ tail exhaust painted white.

if you look closely at the photo of the tail i attached, an area seems to have been just painted over with white. look closely at the area after the last emergency exit and right before the leading edge of the elevator.

anyway, i wrote to CX this morning, asking about the livery. i even mentioned that perhaps they can show a pic of the original of the model, as there is none identical on any DB. i am still waiting for a response.

[side note...the pic above shows the nationalities of the original CX FAs (L-R): philippines, indonesia (or malaysia?), thailand, and japan. yes, before EK, CX had a multinational crew! then they started hiring from across asia, with up to ten or so different nationalities! after the handover, the maniland authorities required that all CX FAs be HKG or mainland-based, so the multinationals are a rarity now in economy!]

Although CX Still has many Japanese and some korean crew as well as some crew from The Philippines.

THe FA mainland based rule must have changed as CX have major cabin crew bases in London and Vanvouver, as well as other cities in America and Europe. I fly to London regularly and most, if not the entire crew are based in London.

hikouki · 06-30-2008, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cathay250

Although CX Still has many Japanese and some korean crew as well as some crew from The Philippines.

THe FA mainland based rule must have changed as CX have major cabin crew bases in London and Vanvouver, as well as other cities in America and Europe. I fly to London regularly and most, if not the entire crew are based in London.

but their mobility today in the CX network is very much limited!!! they are assigned to specific routes, unlike before where they can go anywhere!

many airlines that fly to korea or japan have crews from the local population. these FAs are hired to service only those routes where their countrymen are found in large numbers. example, finnair has korean FAs traveling between korea and finland.

IIRC, the london and vancouver based CX crews are only allowed to do specific runs and are not allowed to do say the regionals. obviously, you will find london based crews on your flight from LHR-HKG-LHR. maybe they can go to australia. but i doubt they can fly to say japan, korea etc. the YVR based crews can fly to HKG and EWR but are not allowed anything else.

in the 70s, 80s and much of the 90s, CX FAs from the ten different lands can go anywhere within the CX route network! during the handover, mostly mainlanders and local HKGers were hired. koreans, japanese and filipinas were hired in very limited numbers only recently. and i noticed the filipinas they hire today are not anymore the 'tanned beauties' but mandarin-speaking filipino-chinese, who blend in well with the facial profiles of the rest of the young crew. the crew today do not look as multi-ethnic as before! today, you only see mutli-ethnic crews at EK, EY, etc.

i remember on one of my HKG-MNL flights during the 90s, the crew consisted of japanese, korean, indian, malaysian and filipina FAs. the ISM was cantonese.

then, in early 2000, the ISM on my flight was filipina and all the rest of the crew were cantonese.

cathay250 · 06-30-2008, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hikouki

but their mobility today in the CX network is very much limited!!! they are assigned to specific routes, unlike before where they can go anywhere!

many airlines that fly to korea or japan have crews from the local population. these FAs are hired to service only those routes where their countrymen are found in large numbers. example, finnair has korean FAs traveling between korea and finland.

IIRC, the london and vancouver based CX crews are only allowed to do specific runs and are not allowed to do say the regionals. obviously, you will find london based crews on your flight from LHR-HKG-LHR. maybe they can go to australia. but i doubt they can fly to say japan, korea etc. the YVR based crews can fly to HKG and EWR but are not allowed anything else.

in the 70s, 80s and much of the 90s, CX FAs from the ten different lands can go anywhere within the CX route network! during the handover, mostly mainlanders and local HKGers were hired. koreans, japanese and filipinas were hired in very limited numbers only recently. and i noticed the filipinas they hire today are not anymore the 'tanned beauties' but mandarin-speaking filipino-chinese, who blend in well with the facial profiles of the rest of the young crew. the crew today do not look as multi-ethnic as before! today, you only see mutli-ethnic crews at EK, EY, etc.

i remember on one of my HKG-MNL flights during the 90s, the crew consisted of japanese, korean, indian, malaysian and filipina FAs. the ISM was cantonese.

then, in early 2000, the ISM on my flight was filipina and all the rest of the crew were cantonese.

Im sure you are right, 'foreign' FAs can only do specific routes. These days i only really see Filipinas working in Business/First or ISM, as you say, not many work in economy.

On the 29th June i just arrived back form LHR with CX. There was a Japanese tourist party onboard, and on this flight there were some (dont know how many) Japanese crew onboard, and announcements were made in Japanese as well as Chinese and English. Perhaps CX arranged to have Japanese crew as they could see there would be many Japanese on the flight??

hikouki · 06-30-2008, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cathay250

Im sure you are right, 'foreign' FAs can only do specific routes. These days i only really see Filipinas working in Business/First or ISM, as you say, not many work in economy.

...

these were the young FAs during the time of the L1011s and 747-300s!

they have been promoted to senior positions and will be replaced by mostly cantonese FAs when they retire.

Chard · 07-02-2008, 03:24 AM

The flight crew were mainly Australian, New Zealanders, Canadians, British and Hong Kong from memory duyring the 80s and 90s, is that still the same now even after Hong Kong is now part of China?

hikouki · 07-02-2008, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chard

The flight crew were mainly Australian, New Zealanders, Canadians, British and Hong Kong from memory duyring the 80s and 90s, is that still the same now even after Hong Kong is now part of China?

i'm not sure how the proportions of nationalities have changed, but long after the cabin crew became predominantly cantonese, i remember still getting cockpit crews with aussie or brit accents on some of my flights from time to time.

cathay250 · 07-02-2008, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chard

The flight crew were mainly Australian, New Zealanders, Canadians, British and Hong Kong from memory duyring the 80s and 90s, is that still the same now even after Hong Kong is now part of China?

Yes this is still the same, many from Australia, canada, and The UK as well as HK.

06-29-2008, 07:21 AM	#3
Faucett Peru Wings900 Team Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 3,218	Re: NEW RELEASE: 1:500 Herpa Cathay Pacific L-1011-385-1 Thats strange indeed. I also couldn´t find a single picture of a Cathay TriStar with this colors. Interestingly the Herpa database shows this picture of the model with the common paint scheme at the aft section: __________________ _________________________________________________ More Latin American Airlines.... PLEASE!

06-29-2008, 07:51 AM	#4
Faucett Peru Wings900 Team Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 3,218	Re: NEW RELEASE: 1:500 Herpa Cathay Pacific L-1011-385-1 Found another model (Hasegawa) in same colors and a postcard! At Airline Models - Home : http://www.airline-models.de/Modelle...%20%201000.jpg __________________ _________________________________________________ More Latin American Airlines.... PLEASE!

07-02-2008, 03:24 AM	#10
Chard Senior Captain Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,579	Re: NEW RELEASE: 1:500 Herpa Cathay Pacific L-1011-385-1 The flight crew were mainly Australian, New Zealanders, Canadians, British and Hong Kong from memory duyring the 80s and 90s, is that still the same now even after Hong Kong is now part of China? __________________ 'Kia Kaha' GO The All Blacks!!!

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06-27-2008, 03:49 AM	#2
hikouki ATP Captain Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: pasig city Age: 28 Posts: 2,184	Re: NEW RELEASE: 1:500 Herpa Cathay Pacific L-1011-385-1 did any of Cathay's TriStars have this actual scheme, or did herpa/ hogan mess this one up again? i posted some pics over at the model DB message board: http://www.wings900.com/vb/252345-post2.html note the old swire logo (triangular instead of square) is located infront and below the cockpit windows: DSC04539 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! the most common photos feature a square swire logo beside the 'cathay pacific' titles on the fuselage. an older one has the triangular swire logo in the same position and this is another variant, the triangular swire logo between door 1 and the cockpit windows: Q1: so did any aircraft actually have the triangular swire logo in the same position as the model? ---------- also, the tail of the model has the area between the elevators and engine #2 exhausts painted white: DSC04540 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! similar to the hybrid KA/CX: but all CX tristars on the A.net and JP DBs have the characteristic silver/ unpainted scheme (see photos above). Q2: was the L-1011 delivered to Cx with the white painted lower tail section? perhaps, this model carries an un-photographed delivery scheme? anyone know? (from the first photo i posted, you could see that on the model, the gray of the engine tanks/ belly extends far too forward; and that the front cargo door is too small.) __________________ my 1:500 PAL wishlist: 77W, A330, A320, A319, Q400, Q300 742, M11, A342, DC10, AB4, 734, 733 retro 742, retro DC10, retro AB4 742 mabuhay chicago, AB4 love bus my airport blog: Paper Intercontinental Airport my model collection pictures at Flickr my albums at photobucket Last edited by hikouki; 06-27-2008 at 03:55 AM. Reason: attach photo; revise questions