United orders 787s and A350s

SalmonellaMD · 12-08-2009, 11:06 PM

United splits aircraft order between Airbus and Boeing
"...United has divided its widely-anticipated widebody order evenly between rival airframers Airbus and Boeing, ordering 25 A350XWBs and 25 Boeing 787s..."

United Invests in Future, Places Order for Next-Generation Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance
"...25 firm orders each to both Airbus and Boeing, maximizing network flexibility, cost savings, and improvements for customers..."

Rolls-Royce announces two-billion-dollar order from United- International Business-News-The Economic Times
"...Rolls-Royce has been selected by United Airlines to power its new fleet of Airbus A350 XWB aircraft," the London-listed group said in a statement..."

Ferihegy · 12-09-2009, 03:19 AM

A good move! First splitting, then flying, in the end chosing. Good for both manufacturers in these hard days!

furryforest · 12-09-2009, 03:40 AM

Will the large Airbus narrowbody fleet that UA have enable it to look after the Airbus fleet efficiently as there will be some commonality i imagine??

united · 12-09-2009, 04:47 AM

A big step forward into transforming United back into a competitive airline. I found a pretty interesting piece of information regarding United's domestic fleet revamp here.

Flight fan · 12-09-2009, 10:53 AM

What will the A350 look like?

wingser · 12-10-2009, 08:46 AM

A350 in UA livery...

B787

http://boeingblogs.com/randy

http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...195&highlight=

http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,7056,61384,00.html

Flight fan · 12-10-2009, 09:47 AM

They're strikingly similar.

MrMD11 · 12-10-2009, 11:07 PM

Considering the fact that the U.S. government (through the PBGC) picked-up the retirements of the UA employees during their first bankruptcy (notice I said "first"), it would have been nice for UA to at least commit to a single wide-body, namely the Boeing 787.

However, since UA chose to purchase both the 787 and A350, my prediction is that both aircraft will be flown for a short period of time within the UA fleet, and then one aircraft model will be dumped for the other.

ek&sq · 12-11-2009, 04:02 AM

Good for United! They're doing what some other airlines like ET, SQ, etc did by ordering both. SQ will be using the 787 for short-medium haul destinations and A350's for long haul destinations. I wonder if UA will follow something similar.

n777co · 12-11-2009, 03:41 PM

I wish they would have just stuck with the 787 and then used the extra money to order some new short haul aircraft like... oh i don't know the 737NG

UAL DC-10 · 12-11-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n777co

I wish they would have just stuck with the 787 and then used the extra money to order some new short haul aircraft like... oh i don't know the 737NG

They are going to order some narrowbodies sometime early next year.

Right now it looks like the A321(With new winglets) 737 next gen and Embraer are all competing.

n777co · 12-12-2009, 12:13 AM

I really hope they don't get the a321.... I really would like them to get the next gen 737... And erj would be cool but I'm going to stick with Boeing on this...

united · 12-12-2009, 08:00 AM

The A321 is a suitable replacement for the 757. Would prefer to see some United 739's. I think the A350 will end up replacing the 777's that United currently operate and the 767's will be replaced by the 787.

aligator · 12-12-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMD11

Considering the fact that the U.S. government (through the PBGC) picked-up the retirements of the UA employees during their first bankruptcy (notice I said "first"), it would have been nice for UA to at least commit to a single wide-body, namely the Boeing 787.

However, since UA chose to purchase both the 787 and A350, my prediction is that both aircraft will be flown for a short period of time within the UA fleet, and then one aircraft model will be dumped for the other.

since problems by dreamliner and also by Airbus 380 showed that it is risky for an airline to set their money on one single product, if you are not fully sure about potential problems

I think united managment is smart to order both in smaller number and observe how both models would develop..if one product would have big troubles or delays, united could more focus on the more succesfull product..

the troubles of both Airbus and Boeing by delivering or fixing technical problems show the airlines that you must always have a plan B, since in airline business the competition will get extremly hard, it is important to be prepared for every potential problem

Eherran · 12-12-2009, 11:00 AM

I totally agree with Gator. As weird as it seems, the days of achieving substantial savings by having uniform fleets from the same manufacturer are gone. Nowadays, if you want to stay in business (and make money!) you have to diversify and forget being married to a single manufacturer. It's no wonder we're seeing such diverse fleets all over the planet. I have no problem with this. If Boeing or Airbus want to corner a segment of the market, then they have to prove that they can deliver an affordable and reliable product on time, all the time, but so far neither one has been able to do it much better than the other.

12-08-2009, 11:06 PM	#1
SalmonellaMD RJ Captain Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On a Petri Dish Posts: 446	United orders 787s and A350s United splits aircraft order between Airbus and Boeing "...United has divided its widely-anticipated widebody order evenly between rival airframers Airbus and Boeing, ordering 25 A350XWBs and 25 Boeing 787s..." United Invests in Future, Places Order for Next-Generation Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance "...25 firm orders each to both Airbus and Boeing, maximizing network flexibility, cost savings, and improvements for customers..." Rolls-Royce announces two-billion-dollar order from United- International Business-News-The Economic Times "...Rolls-Royce has been selected by United Airlines to power its new fleet of Airbus A350 XWB aircraft," the London-listed group said in a statement..."

12-09-2009, 03:19 AM	#2
Ferihegy Trijets Lover Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest Age: 29 Posts: 3,968	Re: United orders 787s and A350s A good move! First splitting, then flying, in the end chosing. Good for both manufacturers in these hard days!

12-09-2009, 03:40 AM	#3
furryforest Operations Director Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern Ireland, UK Age: 31 Posts: 6,165	Re: United orders 787s and A350s Will the large Airbus narrowbody fleet that UA have enable it to look after the Airbus fleet efficiently as there will be some commonality i imagine?? __________________ I swear to drunk i'm not God

12-09-2009, 04:47 AM	#4
united We Stand. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Naperville, IL/Singapore Age: 47 Posts: 874	Re: United orders 787s and A350s A big step forward into transforming United back into a competitive airline. I found a pretty interesting piece of information regarding United's domestic fleet revamp here.

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12-10-2009, 11:07 PM	#8
MrMD11 RJ Second Officer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 191	Re: United orders 787s and A350s Considering the fact that the U.S. government (through the PBGC) picked-up the retirements of the UA employees during their first bankruptcy (notice I said "first"), it would have been nice for UA to at least commit to a single wide-body, namely the Boeing 787. However, since UA chose to purchase both the 787 and A350, my prediction is that both aircraft will be flown for a short period of time within the UA fleet, and then one aircraft model will be dumped for the other.

12-11-2009, 04:02 AM	#9
ek&sq Tech Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Age: 18 Posts: 1,555	Re: United orders 787s and A350s Good for United! They're doing what some other airlines like ET, SQ, etc did by ordering both. SQ will be using the 787 for short-medium haul destinations and A350's for long haul destinations. I wonder if UA will follow something similar. __________________ Manek Computers are like air conditioners - they stop working properly when you open Windows.

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n777co Master ATP Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hoffman Est. IL Age: 20 Posts: 3,930	Re: United orders 787s and A350s I wish they would have just stuck with the 787 and then used the extra money to order some new short haul aircraft like... oh i don't know the 737NG __________________ If you like trains and planes check it out! ->http://www.trainsandplanes.biz/index.php My best friend is a Marine!! Respect those who serve in the Armed Forces AB USAF, Ellsworth AFB, SD. B-1B crew cheif

12-12-2009, 12:13 AM	#12
n777co Master ATP Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hoffman Est. IL Age: 20 Posts: 3,930	Re: United orders 787s and A350s I really hope they don't get the a321.... I really would like them to get the next gen 737... And erj would be cool but I'm going to stick with Boeing on this...

12-12-2009, 08:00 AM	#13
united We Stand. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Naperville, IL/Singapore Age: 47 Posts: 874	Re: United orders 787s and A350s The A321 is a suitable replacement for the 757. Would prefer to see some United 739's. I think the A350 will end up replacing the 777's that United currently operate and the 767's will be replaced by the 787.

12-12-2009, 11:00 AM	#15
Eherran ATP Captain Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Friendsville, Tennessee Age: 45 Posts: 2,867	Re: United orders 787s and A350s I totally agree with Gator. As weird as it seems, the days of achieving substantial savings by having uniform fleets from the same manufacturer are gone. Nowadays, if you want to stay in business (and make money!) you have to diversify and forget being married to a single manufacturer. It's no wonder we're seeing such diverse fleets all over the planet. I have no problem with this. If Boeing or Airbus want to corner a segment of the market, then they have to prove that they can deliver an affordable and reliable product on time, all the time, but so far neither one has been able to do it much better than the other. __________________

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