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Old 07-24-2008, 11:30 AM   #16
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

The news press loves to print a few scary anecdotes to drum up fear and panic, whether it is in aviation or creating a falsified fuel shortage. The statistics speak for themselves, the DC-10 is great. One of my all-time favorite planes!! Long live the -10.
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The news press loves to print a few scary anecdotes to drum up fear and panic, whether it is in aviation or creating a falsified fuel shortage. The statistics speak for themselves, the DC-10 is great. One of my all-time favorite planes!! Long live the -10.
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:25 PM   #19
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There have been only three DC-10 crashes in many years of service and none of these crashes had anything to do with the aircraft itself. Compare that to the Comet and Electra which both came apart in flight. Also, compare that to such types as the DC-9 and B727 which have many more crashes to their name. I have flown numerous times on a DC-10 without any concern at all.
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

I always liked the DC-10. I got to jumpseat on an AA DC-10 and had a ball.
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

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The news press loves to print a few scary anecdotes to drum up fear and panic, whether it is in aviation or creating a falsified fuel shortage. The statistics speak for themselves, the DC-10 is great. One of my all-time favorite planes!! Long live the -10.
That is what the media does. That is the business they are in.
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

The DC-10 is an AWESOME aircraft!
I feel more reluctant to fly brand new aircraft (let others be the guinea pigs) :-)
But crashes can be the result of so many things other than pilot error or design flaws.
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you do have a point their
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there is a great saying....s### happens.

planes crash, there is no avoiding that, and the dc-10 is a good plane. if you want death traps, why not look at single engine GA aircraft? much more prone to crashing than any airliner. not that that is stopping me from flying them.......
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

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Shouldnt he DC 10 earn the title as "screaming metal death trap with wings"

[edit] Incidents and accidents

The early DC-10s suffered a trying time during the 1970s when a string of notorious incidents and crashes led to a brief grounding by the United States Federal Aviation Administration.

1[edit] Cargo door problem

The outward-opening cargo door design problem was first identified on June 12, 1972, when American Airlines Flight 96 lost its aft cargo door after takeoff from Detroit, Michigan, but the crew was able to perform an emergency landing with no further incident. Before Flight 96 took off, an airport employee had forced the door shut, weakening the locking pin and causing the door to blow out as the plane reached altitude.

Although many carriers voluntarily modified the cargo doors and re-trained their ground crews, there was not yet a mandatory redesign of the system. Severe design problems still persisted with the aircraft's cargo doors, and two years after the American Airlines incident, an almost identical cargo door blow-out caused Turkish Airlines Flight 981 to crash into a forest near the town of Ermenonville shortly after leaving Orly Airport in Paris on March 3, 1974. 346 people were killed in one of the deadliest air crashes of the twentieth century, recorded in Aviation History books as the "Ermenonville air disaster". The circumstances surrounding this crash were similar to those surrounding the previous accident; however, a modified seating configuration on the Turkish aircraft exacerbated the effects of decompression which caused the floor of the aircraft to collapse into the cargo bay. Vents were not present to allow the pressure between the cargo and passenger compartments to equalize. Control cables running through the floor of the plane were severed when the floor collapsed and this rendered the aircraft uncontrollable. In the aftermath of this crash, all DC-10s underwent a mandatory door redesign.

2[edit] American Airlines Flight 191

In 1979, with the cargo door issues resolved, DC-10s (all series) around the world were grounded following the crash of American Airlines Flight 191. Flight 191 lost its number one wing engine after taking off from O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, USA, May 25, 1979.[1] As the engine separated upwards, it ripped through the leading edge of the wing, rupturing hydraulic lines which caused a hydraulic cylinder that locked the port wing slats to fail. As airspeed was reduced per AA emergency climb-out procedures, the slats retracted, the left wing stalled, the plane rolled left and crashed before the flight crew could recover. All 271 people on board, plus two on the ground, were killed in this accident; the worst single plane crash in America.
The United States National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials discovered that a maintenance procedure was the culprit: American Airlines mechanics had removed the engine and its pylon together, rather than removing the engine from the pylon then the pylon from the wing, as recommended by McDonnell Douglas. This was done using a forklift and the pylon was inadvertently cracked in the process. The short-cut procedure, thought to save several man hours on maintenance, was used by three major airlines, although McDonnell Douglas advised against it.[7] Although McDonnell Douglas was not directly at fault for the pylon separation, it redesigned the DC-10 to allow more redundancies in the hydraulic systems.
The Chicago incident also highlighted a major deficiency in the DC-10 design—its lack of locking flap mechanisms designed to maintain their position in the event of a hydraulic or pneumatic failure. Other wide-body aircraft of the day carried such a feature, but it was omitted from the DC-10. Another deficiency highlighted in the NTSB report was the vulnerable placement of wiring at the leading edge (front) of the wing. When the engine pulled up and over the wing, it tore out these wires, thus rendering inoperable vital warning instruments in the cockpit. Other aircraft of this era typically placed this kind of wiring in the center of the wing, in a less vulnerable position. In addition, only the pilot had a stick-shaker to warn of stalling, as the co-pilot was the one flying the plane, there was no warning that the plane was stalling.

1[edit] United Airlines Flight 232

Another instance of a DC-10 crash was the Flight 232 disaster at Sioux City, Iowa, USA, on July 19, 1989. After the #2 engine (tail engine) suffered an uncontained fan disk failure in flight which ruptured critical hydraulic lines, the crew, led by Captain Al Haynes and assisted by a senior pilot flying as a passenger (Dennis E. "Denny" Fitch), performed an emergency landing by varying remaining engine power to control the plane. Although the aircraft was destroyed with the loss of many lives, the crew flew the aircraft onto the runway in a partially controlled manner and 185 of the 296 people on board survived.
The Sioux City crash concerned investigators because the total loss of hydraulic pressure aboard the DC-10 was considered nearly impossible. The design had lines from all three independent and redundant hydraulic systems in close proximity, directly beneath the #2 (tail) engine. Debris from the #2 fan disk separation failure penetrated all three lines resulting in total loss of control to the elevators, ailerons and rudder.

[edit] Other notable accidents and incidents




Other than the American Airlines, Turkish Airlines and United Airlines crashes well covered by the media and mentioned above, many other DC-10s were lost in different types of accidents. Other notable incidents involved DC-10s.2The Air France Concorde crash of 2000 was attributed to a fragment of titanium that fell from the thrust reverser of a Continental Airlines DC-10 that had taken off some four minutes earlier. This fragment was traced to a third party parts replacement which had not been approved by the FAA. A similar incident occurred in the following months when a Northwest Airlines DC-10 lost part of a thrust reverser after departure from Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport, also blamed on non-FAA approved parts.[citation needed

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it is a good plane now when i broke them up but all togetther if you had no clue what the plane was and saw it you would think it is a "screaming metal death trap with wings"
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Re: who thinks the DC 10 is the plane with the worst history

Hey bismark how about you take your signature song chorus to heart and move along and stop crying......piece of advice....
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I got this topic idea from a different forum and i support the dc10 all the way and i think it is aclassic just like the 727 they are great i copied and paste the title and topic post. i like classics they rock!!!!
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