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Kalitta Air 747 crash

Boeing 747 splits in two on take off - CNN.com
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Re: Kalitta Air 747 crash

That's a crash you don't hear of everyday. Why did it split in half ? Odd.
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Looks really strange. Glad nobody was injured!

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Re: Kalitta Air 747 crash

Honestly it doesn't surprise me... Just think about the age of this old bird! I'm wondering sometimes how old some planes are that are flying around!
Honestly, imagine: The 20 years old 747-300s of PIA aren't allowed to come to the EU, but the 35-40 years old birds of Evergreen and Kalitta (although they are freighters) can land everywhere...
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Re: Kalitta Air 747 crash

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Honestly it doesn't surprise me... Just think about the age of this old bird! I'm wondering sometimes how old some planes are that are flying around!
Honestly, imagine: The 20 years old 747-300s of PIA aren't allowed to come to the EU, but the 35-40 years old birds of Evergreen and Kalitta (although they are freighters) can land everywhere...
This was due to adverse stresses on the airframe. If you add these stresses onto the plane, it can do this. If you keep it maintained well, it should still fly. This does not have anything to do with the age of the aircraft. if you look at other accidents, like landings and runway overruns and see the airframe damaged, then you can see how the plane ended up like that. Look at the Adam Air 737-400 that landed hard, the airframe spilt near the traliing edge of the wing and fell to the ground. Other incindents have the same thing happening. it's not the age if you keep the aircraft maintained well. It should take a lot of landings before it gets a major overhaul.
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That is really crazy! I'm glad everyone is ok
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If you keep it maintained well, it should still fly. This does not have anything to do with the age of the aircraft.
But Kalitta isn't popular for perfect maintance.
A Jumbo lost a engine over Lake Michigan during a JFK-ORD flight.
Reason was messy maintance.

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This was due to adverse stresses on the airframe. If you add these stresses onto the plane, it can do this. If you keep it maintained well, it should still fly. This does not have anything to do with the age of the aircraft. if you look at other accidents, like landings and runway overruns and see the airframe damaged, then you can see how the plane ended up like that. Look at the Adam Air 737-400 that landed hard, the airframe spilt near the traliing edge of the wing and fell to the ground. Other incindents have the same thing happening. it's not the age if you keep the aircraft maintained well. It should take a lot of landings before it gets a major overhaul.
i believe you are correct. just look at the JAL jumbos. their classics flew for how many decades, then ended up in the hands of charter and holiday operators. they were really well-maintained.
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This was due to adverse stresses on the airframe. If you add these stresses onto the plane, it can do this. If you keep it maintained well, it should still fly. This does not have anything to do with the age of the aircraft. if you look at other accidents, like landings and runway overruns and see the airframe damaged, then you can see how the plane ended up like that. Look at the Adam Air 737-400 that landed hard, the airframe spilt near the traliing edge of the wing and fell to the ground. Other incindents have the same thing happening. it's not the age if you keep the aircraft maintained well. It should take a lot of landings before it gets a major overhaul.
You're right, it has a lot to do with the maintanence! But you have a lot more work with these older birds than with younger ones! And we talk about really old birds here...
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You're right, it has a lot to do with the maintanence! But you have a lot more work with these older birds than with younger ones! And we talk about really old birds here...
Depends how many hours are on the frame. One thing to remember is that it is not the age in years but rather the age in HOURS that the aircraft has. And the age in Hours is usually the age it has spent flying under the stresses that an aircraft would go through while in flight, including T/O and Landing. When planes get more hours, the plane itself requires more attention until it gets overhauled, then a new life cycle for it should start again.

As mentioned earlier, maintinance is not exactly Kalitta's best aspect. If maint is also found to be one that has caused this one, I would not be suprised to see them on the EU ban list when that gets updated. Also remember, NOT ALL 747 CLASSICS ARE 35+! The 747-200 has had a very long and sucessful production spanning through the whole 1970s and 1980s, and the -100 had been produced from 69'-86'. Both of these aircraft had seen close to 20 years of production. This goes with the example I used in another thread where I mentioned that the media seems to think that ALL 737s were spit out of the factory in 1967. The earlier example can go with the comparison made with JAL and their classics. JAL did a very good job keeping their 747 classics in very good shape, and those birds are still serving today in other airlines. One airline, who got a lot of PanAm's 747s as well as 747 classics from various other carriers, Tower Air was known for not being too good on maintinance and trying to cut corners a lot to save costs on everything. Some of their aircraft from what I was reading were literally falling apart and had possibly not gotten proper service done to them since they left their old owners.
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NOT ALL 747 CLASSICS ARE 35+! .
I didn't say that... But many planes (I have to check this one, how old it is) are very old... Of Course the 200series were produced till the 80s...
It has to do with the maintenance. Especially with "older" birds like this one!
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Yikes! That's a big crash!
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I didn't say that... But many planes (I have to check this one, how old it is) are very old... Of Course the 200series were produced till the 80s...
It has to do with the maintenance. Especially with "older" birds like this one!
It dosn't matter the age of the bird, if a airline is operating a newer type and doesn't take care of it too well, it's going to end up in the same shape. The reason why we see older birds getting into crashes more often and maintinance being the issue is not because they're old, but the airlines they are operated by are those who try to cut costs in many ways, including taking "cheaper" approaches to maintinance and buying older aircraft, which tend to be cheaper to get and have avalible spares for than say, a newer plane.

Now N704CK according to the database on JP.net was used on 2 747s, originally on a 747-146 that was built in 1972 for JAL, that aircraft is now reporditly stored as N40489. The second, which I see is this bird right here was built for China Airlines in 1980. That makes the aircraft around 28 years old. So it is pretty close to 30, but UPS I recall operates(ed) 747-100s that are much older and a handful have operated over 24 years now for UPS, though I think those are getting phased out in favor of brand new 747-400Fs. And we rarely hear of their older 747s falling from the sky like rain.
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Metal fatigue probably due to man made global warming.
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